If he's old enough to remember Fred Smith its hardly surprising that he can't remember ! Being serious if Jowitt is fit surely a fairer test would be give them a game each, as a matter of courtesy would have thought max should (if fit) remained in the squad - we actually have 4 players in the squad that won't play so surely we could have extended him that courtesy

Toronto is a game we need to win to give us a relegation buffer, and after that are four games where two wins would be a major result (Wigan, Leeds and Cas at home, and Saints away). If there was any game to bring Brough and Fifita back, it's the cup game. On his day, Brough is a much better player than Jowitt. That isn't bagging Jowitt, because on his day Brough is better than most. It'll give Chester an insight into how many days Brough might have left. Until he hurt his hand last year, he was the bees knees.

If Jowitt is to be first choice, arguably Chester would be mad to risk him in a cup game when there is an able deputy in Brough.

He can't win sometimes.

TBH thats not quite the point I was trying to make I get giving brough a run what I dont get is dropping jowitt out of the squad

That's how I see it - and given that it's ostensibly a match we should win at a canter, if Jowitt needs a week to fix up any niggles, this would be the right week.

It can only be fair to assume that Max has picked up a knock otherwise he would surely have made the 21.

On current form he is easily our first choice full back and first choice half back and if it's a case of someone making way for Brough then Miller and Walker should have been way more obvious candidates than Jowitt.

I did say at the end who'd be a coach, as a fan you have to respect the coaches decisions he'll stand or fall by those, that's why I don't criticise, all I will say is he's in a privileged position doing a job he loves and getting paid reasonably well for it, personally I'm not really bothered who plays where, and it makes sense to bring Fifita and Brough back this week, but bringing sentiment into it, which tbh Chester can't afford that you can't help feeling sorry for Max, I also agree with what Wrencat said when he said that Chester picks his favourites and fwiw I honestly don't think that Max is.

I think one of our problems (and I say problems tongue-in-cheek, as it's not a bad one to have) is that we have four players who are of equal or similar ability. At some clubs, the half-back pairing or full back have obvious first choices. In our case, our half-back pairings are either Brough-Miller, Miller-Rocky, Miller-Jowitt, Brough-Jowitt, Brough-Rocky, Rocky-Jowitt, but they are all so similar in quality that it is hard to pick a winner. Similarly at full-back, not much to choose between Rocky and Jowitt, and Walker was good last year at London.

How a coach chooses, I don't know. Do you pick Miller-Jowitt because you think Rocky is a better full-back, or Miller-Rocky because Rocky is a better stand-off, or whatever combination? And factor in Brough, who can be superb with his kicking game on the right day, it's a coaches nightmare. Any combination sort of works, but every combination leaves one of the four out. And with Walker, five.

Chester is on record saying Brough has to earn his place back.

And on the one club man thing JT is exactly that guy. Was second fiddle for a long time but stuck it out to bring one of the most popular at the club.

The coach and his staff work with the players all week and will have a lot better idea what's working and what isn't, so for me it's better to put personal preferences to one side and let them get on with it, one thing for sure, without trying to insult anybody, most fans think they know better and for every half a dozen he pleases it will balance itself out with those he upsets

Yeah of course PT how could I forget JT! RWB to the core.

I alluded to your last sentence in a post elsewhere. CC seems to have his favourites and for whatever reason Max Jowitt doesn't seem to be one of them.

oh do me a ******* favour

whine whine whine, you bitch when players play out of position and bitch when they play their positions

some people could be forgiven for thinking you're just gonna bitch no matter what

surely that can't be true......