BS is maybe picking out who says what and, if what they are saying has an influence on how the team performs?
Basic little things, without over complicating things.

I think if TS had been playing, we would have won by more. We still looked lacking at times in the opposition 20.

TS over JM every day of the week for me.

Disagree about plenty of players with pace in the amateur game .
You can appear quick, but that is in relation to the speed of those around you.
Natural speed is a gift(which can obviously be enhanced by coaching) and I have seen many good looking players from lower down the RL levels found wanting .
You can look quick in the amateur game but then not as quick in the pro environment where more are matching you for speed and are often quicker.

Millers best game certainly puts pressure on Mr Smith. Smith certainly needs to take the line on more don't no why he doesn't he is spindley and can jink he cannot be that slow like treacle.

I agree Smith needs to take the line on more, but to the people who say he never does it clearly you didnt watch the Catalans game, Godinet and Smith were our best two players then.

Id still pick Smith over Miller and so would BS it would appear. Miller had a good game against Hull, but half the time and much of this season he ran around like a headless chicken.

Well you're wrong or you've missed the point.

There are loads of players with natural speed right down the divisions - my mates lad is one, he's as quick as most SL wingers and has recorded stats to prove it. This has no relation to the players around him, many of whom are equally as fast. By his own admission he is lacking in game skill, desire and that general Xfactor. It's a very fine line between a genuine pro.

Anyway back to the main point, for me Miller is not at the level I would expect for a precious import quota player. I contest that he's Championship level in every respect other than a natural ability to step of both feet. Reminds me a lot of Kyle Wood, we may as well have persisted with him as at least he was an academy product.

SL is rapidly becoming a second chance refuge for NRL players and to me that counterproductive and unfair. I'd much rather 3 top class Aussies/Kiwis (Locke) than a dozen journeymen (Ryan). Not saying they are bad player just not sure they are better than their UK counterparts.

Sorry, misunderstood, I wouldn't call that waffling, trust me I could probably write 3 pages of waffle on here

You will certainly have far more interest and knowledge of the amateur game than me, so therefore will know a lot more about it and it's links with professional clubs. I've probably only been to a handful of amateur games since I started watching RL, but I do remember one cold day when a certain Jason Robinson was playing for Hunslet Parkside. Obviously I didn't know who he was back then, but the guy next to me said he's gonna be superstar of the game in few years, how right he was! It just seems a no brainer to me that you would pick a player from down the road, rather than fly someone 12,000 miles, have to find a house for them, possibly with family and all the rest, if they were of similar ability?! Like I said, you will know more than me, so are the players potentially out there or have standards dropped that badly over the last 15, 20 years?

There is a strong amateur game in the area, that includes around Cas and Fev. As Vasty says, the speed is there but most of the time it's the mental toughness that is needed to go the extra yard in skill and desire. BS is an expert at spotting this and I hope he get the chance to find 2 or 3 gems. Financially it's a no brainer and believe me, the times I have tried with Trinity are numerous. We even linked with Sheffield Eagles for a season as a result of neglect and they placed Keith Senior and Wayne Flynn at the club for a year. The effect on the kids was amazing as was Keith's vocabulary!
Nothing against Miller, Ryan and co, but surely 3 or 4 would be enough and a massive saving towards salary cap.

Well Vasty my over 50 years experience tells me that you are wrong and I am right.
My word how dare anyone disagree with you ?

Think thats a pretty fair assessment. The problem for Smith as well is the fact that he is reliant on players actually making decent runs and angles so he can utilise his main strength - passing. To be fair he's had knack all on that front for large parts of the season, not to mention our pack at times has been getting dominated so he's been on the back foot and as you say given he is slow he's never gonna take advantage of any gaps in a rushing defence.

It all depends what Brian Smith wants and needs.
If he can get into T Smiths head then who knows.
He's worked with Miller before.
Really down to who wants to listen and respond.

I'd stick with Miller, should have been motm on Weds and Godinet looked even better than usual with the bit of extra responsibility. Smiths probably better but let him fight his way back.