What is certain is that P&R should it happen will throw up two instant 4 pointer (remember them).

I see Salford and Bradford as relegation contenders along with ourselves and a few others.

So by the third game of the season should we have lost both games panic will already have set in - BY GAME THREE!!!

How can this be conducive to good rugby and a healthy game and club. It's utter madness and takes all the joy out of the season right at the start, I think people are forgetting just how awful a relegation threatened season can be.

People go on about dead rubber games in the present set up but they are nearly all dead rubbers if you get off to a bad start in a P&R season other than the last game when the great Wakefield public turns out in numbers in the hope of seeing a car crash.

This is P&R in all it's glory.

Completely agree. The whole structure screams short termism. Clubs can not plan, players will be unsettled and distracted, sponsors will shy away from long term commitment and the crowds won't necessarily come flooding back.

Even taking into account the generous attendance figures that have been disclosed over the past few seasons, Trinity's average has probably being higher in the last 6 years then it was between 1999 and 2007.

The whole restructure is to give Knock off Nigel a further five years or so of 'earning' his £200k salary despite his incompetence.

Ideally the league should be increased and conferences introduced to accommodate any club who wants a shot at the elite level. I'm sure with French clubs, Heartland clubs and one or two expansion areas 20 teams could be found and 2 leagues of 10 who play at the same level can compete for the SL title for the top five of each conference and a SL shield for the bottom five.

It may mean a reduction of central funding for each club to £700k or so and short term may result in a decrease in playing standards, but in time it should help clubs and subsequently the playing pool grow stronger.

Surely not - Salford will be pushing top 4 with all the signings and money they have. This is a FACT because their fans believe it to be so!

Excellent points made Khlav,particularly the one about increasing the number of clubs rather than retracting.
Have never been able to see the point of reducing the numbers.
Any neutral observer would view that as a sport struggling and one that is not worth showing interest in.
Clubs need to think not just of themselves,but be prepared to play the longer game and of the sport as a whole.

No we don't! Top 8 would be great, but most Salford fans deep down will be happy staying up. Maybe not Koukash? Me myself having watched Salford yoyo in the past would be happy with 12th to 8th. Let's not forget we were the worst last season, any improvement would be good. Playoffs would be great! We're all not over excited trolls!

Jealousy is a horrible thing mate.

The same Barnet owner who invested in a club that doesn't have a team with four weeks to go till the season starts.

It's not jealousy, just annoyance generated by the odd few of your supporters who seem to have very quickly forgotten where you've come from.

My opinion is that you've signed a lot of players who might or might not work.
Personally I don't think Chase and Smith make a good pairing but they may prove me wrong.
Hock is just as likely to cause issues as he is to win you games going on past experience.
Morley, Puletua, Meli are all another year older and could survive another full season or could not - nobody knows just yet.


Don't get me wrong, I'd love someone with money to come into our club, but it's one of those where you need to guarantee they are in it for the long term otherwise you very quickly put yourselves in a completely unsustainable position.

I just wonder how the good dr would react if his team does badly this year, I hope for the Salford fans sake that he doesn't do what the last Bradford boss did and "throw them under the bus" so to speak

I think that there are several million differences between the Dr and Ok !

I fear you're right, everything about the Dr screams fragile ego to me. He's a wealthy man in RL terms but he isn't so rich as his bank account or boredom threshold won't snap before Mr Noble has the time to build a team. His antics last year suggested a very impatient attitude. When you compare his high profile which he has helped create to that of the owners of Warrington who are the club most similar to to Salford when they moved there is a marked difference in attitude. Warrington and indeed Wigan, Leeds and Saints have owners who remain relatively behind the scenes and shun the limelight - they are builders and planners where as the Dr just seems like a flash harry enjoying his notoriety of which he will eventually get bored. I real really hope not and I mean that but having seen many of these club saviours come and go both at Trinity and other clubs I won't hold my breath.

None of us on here not even a cynic like myself thought Glover would be quite as useless as he was - he wasn't as rich as the Dr but he did put on a similar show - Salford fans by all means should back him and support the club and enjoy what seems to be on offer, but as a word of advise from one who know - watch your back and always read the small print

Really?

What difference does that make, these people never really gamble with there own cash. AG, OK or the Dr, they risk losing some cash but nowhere near as much as they like to make out.