thought it wouldnt be long before the cavalry came , believe it or not richie mathers as never done me any harm im just amazed that im almost alone in noticing the mans frightened to get hurt everything in his play shows this .The man lacks bottle end of.

Lacks bottle?

Anyone got a ducking stool?

I didn't go to the game, and I've yet to see the tries. However the impression I got that Mathers was involved in almost everything we did going forward. His defence wasn't questioned, although it did seem as if Fox's was questionable on occasion, as was his kick retrieval.

My view is that Fox hasn't been worth his place this year, his tries have been the RL equivalent of tap ins so I'd not use them as a defence. On more than one occasion he's not gone for the corner when he had a good chance of scoring.

isn't that what someone called Daryl Griffin last week?

It's Wakey rhyming slang!

I've just seen Josh Dugan get off a train at Sandal & Agbrigg and ask for directions to Belle Vue.

Mathers has played well this season. 1 bad game so what there has been the likes of Wood and Sykes who have been bad everygame thats more of a worry !

Personally thought Mathers had a good game last night, and throw his body at a one on one which some have been critical of him for not doing. So far this season i'd even suggest he's been probably in our top three performers

From a Saints point of view, Mathers had one of his better games against us. I've seen him play Saints for a few different clubs and he has had bigger Mare's than last night in better teams.

When the line is broken, it's always going to be the FB who is the last one near the try scorer, but that does not mean they are liable for all the tries scored.

If you are wanting a defensive FB, then you are going to have to look long and hard. Tomkins does not really do defense. Eden has been suspect at times. If you are looking for a Wellens type character, then that's going back a few years. FB's tend to be more of a pivot player in the modern game and Mathers fits that bill quite well.

Given you had so many out, for 50 minutes there was not a lot in it, but once we survived that onslaught on our line in the 2nd half. We took it too Wakey and did not let up.

Wakey played well for most of the game and given the players that were missing plus Mariano and Wood getting injured,we were well short in ideas on the Saints try line.possession wasn't a problem either for most of the game.We gave penalties away in poor areas ,weather poor play or poor calls,and got punished on most of them.I thought the score flattered Saints but pleased how Wakey played with men out of position and also lack of game time.Roll on next week,new faces back Trin win.

This is exactly it. I cringe at his defence like others but I honestly cannot remember a full back involved in attacking as much as he is - you have to go back to the likes of Wraith or Sheard.
let's remember this- from the games I have seen this season, Mathers and Fox were not the reason we lost some of them. They are becoming scapegoats for some and we should really be supporting the whole team not some if it.

Perhaps we should bring back the young and inexperienced Jordan Grayston? Oh wait

Fox unfortunately is on borrowed time in the starting line up. Seriously needs considering if he should sit Leeds out especially with his poor form atm and hall destroying him last time round under the high ball.

Spot on, but at least this thread enables the usual suspect to talk about his favorite/only subject.