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Good luck to Matt James but the direction we are intending to go I dont think he is good enough for SL the Championship is where he will do well, he one of those in between players for me perhaps too good for the Championship but not quite good enough for SL, sure he will rip it up next season at Fev, he looked good in the U20's but he was never anything other than a back up IMHO onwards and upwards we need competition for places and another quality prop will bring that.

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Quote: 18th Man "We do have eight on the website listed as 'back row', I'm pretty sure at least one of those could fill in if three of our props were injured.'"

If three of our props are injured we're in trouble!
I think you really mean if ONE of our props is injured one of the eight listed as back row forwards could fill in. Well I dont agree with the old second rower forward being a prop (Steve Southern!). We should have props in reserve as well as a mulititude of second rowers. The top clubs bring in props not second row forwards.

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Hopefully if we still have one to come in, he was always the one most likely to be off loaded.
Shame really, i thought he looked like he could have made an impact given fair wind and a bit of consistent game time as he was a big strong lad and looked for the work.
That said i would have been more disappointed if any of the other props had been let go.
Good luck at fev, thats two decent players they've got off us for next year.

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Good signing for Fev,good replacement for Stu Dickens ,hope he does well.Wakey couldn't promise him 1st team .as regards prop injuries and cover,all top teams would struggle with 2 forwards injured.Have faith in RA,we will be ok.

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Interestingly Kyle Amor 6ft 2in 16st 5lb
Frankie Mariano 6ft 2in 16st 10lb
Could be used as prop if really necessary.
Southern was 6ft and 15st 8lb

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Mariano style and workrate rules him out of being a prop. Leave him running at the edge defenders where he's suited best.

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Quote: Theboyem "Mariano style and workrate rules him out of being a prop. Leave him running at the edge defenders where he's suited best.'"


Correct, don't see the point in using possibly your best S/R as a prop. Being big despite what some say is not a given for being a prop, work rate and toughness is far more important.

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Quote: vastman "Correct, don't see the point in using possibly your best S/R as a prop. Being big despite what some say is not a given for being a prop, work rate and toughness is far more important.'"


Why use him as a battering ram? he runs good angles out on the edges and was probably our best linebreaker last year. Or if he wasn't it felt that way. No point putting him up front toiling away

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I don't think there's no doubt if it came down to it with injuries Mariano could do a decent job for us at prop. When he came back into the side last season it was obvious he'd put some size on and was a real handful whenever he took the ball up, breaking tackles and always needing 2 or 3 to bring him down, both around the edges or straight down the middle. Ideally using him there would be only in an emergency and we'll hopefully be bringing in another forward.

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Quote: Shifty Cat "I don't think there's no doubt if it came down to it with injuries Mariano could do a decent job for us at prop. When he came back into the side last season it was obvious he'd put some size on and was a real handful whenever he took the ball up, breaking tackles and always needing 2 or 3 to bring him down, both around the edges or straight down the middle. Ideally using him there would be only in an emergency and we'll hopefully be bringing in another forward.'"


Well I for one doubt it, I don't see Mariano as Prop material at all - no way. On the flanks he's breaking the line running at S/R'S and Centres. Running down the middle he will be running at props and will IMHO get mullered I'm afraid.

It's a shame Anakin isn't a bit bigger as he'd make a great prop, sadly he's small even for a back rower.

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Quote: jacques "Interestingly Kyle Amor 6ft 2in 16st 5lb
Frankie Mariano 6ft 2in 16st 10lb
Could be used as prop if really necessary.
Southern was 6ft and 15st 8lb'"

Exactly. If Southern could be considered for such a role,( didn't think he was 6ft to be honest more 5ft 9-10)? then if real needs must then why not Mariano at prop as last resort who is genuinely big and strong.

If Ali & Kirmond are firing at back row and Wilkes & Raleigh are injured (former second rows?) then should we seriously consider going into the loan market to a get a substandard prop? And leave Mariano either on the bench or out of the 17 when we have Walshaw that could be the second row on the bench instead? We need some flexibility in the squad with it being smaller and another prop is definately now needed to avoid this discussion becoming possible reality once we're into the season. icon_biggrin.gifOH:

Who will it be now to replace James as it is believed to be British target prop that Agar is looking at according to Express? Any ideas/rumours? eusa_think.gif

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Quote: asmadasa "Exactly. If Southern could be considered for such a role,( didn't think he was 6ft to be honest more 5ft 9-10)? then if real needs must then why not Mariano at prop as last resort who is genuinely big and strong.
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Southern failed at prop. It knocked his confidence.
Raleigh and Wilkes have adapted well to the prop role but not all second row forwards can change to that role. Although props are not as unique as they used to be in the days of contested scrums, there is still as subtle difference between them and out and out second row forwards. Frankie, Ali and Danny Kirmond are all second rows forwards and damned good ones. Lets just but another prop instead!

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Quote: vastman "Well I for one doubt it, I don't see Mariano as Prop material at all - no way. On the flanks he's breaking the line running at S/R'S and Centres. Running down the middle he will be running at props and will IMHO get mullered I'm afraid.

It's a shame Anakin isn't a bit bigger as he'd make a great prop, sadly he's small even for a back rower.'"


I don't, it's not what he's best at and like I said would only be if there is injuries but I remember him taking it in on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd tackle down the middle on numerous occasions and making good yards against the oppo's props.

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Quote: Shifty Cat "I don't, it's not what he's best at and like I said would only be if there is injuries but I remember him taking it in on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd tackle down the middle on numerous occasions and making good yards against the oppo's props.'"


Occasionally he could do it but he wouldn't be my first choice - I'd probably use Trout, I know he's smaller but he's more direct and quicker to his feet. I honestly don't remember him doing it down the middle, nor would I expect him too.

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Quote: asmadasa "Exactly. If Southern could be considered for such a role,( didn't think he was 6ft to be honest more 5ft 9-10)? then if real needs must then why not Mariano at prop as last resort who is genuinely big and strong.

If Ali & Kirmond are firing at back row and Wilkes & Raleigh are injured (former second rows?) then should we seriously consider going into the loan market to a get a substandard prop? And leave Mariano either on the bench or out of the 17 when we have Walshaw that could be the second row on the bench instead? We need some flexibility in the squad with it being smaller and another prop is definately now needed to avoid this discussion becoming possible reality once we're into the season.
Cant see it being kirke as rumoured before. Kirke and mcguire are launching whinos new kit a week saturday. I reckon some truth could of been in this before we kept amor.

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