Quote RAM RODD="RAM RODD"Brough is a class above both Tomkins and Dobson for all round ability, game management and leadership. His positional kicking is also in a different stratosphere. Would've had Menzies in for Newton.'" Yeh right www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Seems he's only better at penalties yellow & red cards

Quote RAM RODD="RAM RODD"Brough is a class above both Tomkins and Dobson for all round ability, game management and leadership. His positional kicking is also in a different stratosphere. Would've had Menzies in for Newton.'" Yeh right www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Seems he's only better at penalties yellow & red cards

Quote phil webbo="phil webbo"Yeh right www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Seems he's only better at penalties yellow & red cards '" When flyweight Dobson learns how to tackle, then think about posting on anything other than your own farce of a board.

Quote phil webbo="phil webbo"Yeh right www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Seems he's only better at penalties yellow & red cards '" When flyweight Dobson learns how to tackle, then think about posting on anything other than your own farce of a board.

Would have been a better argument had Dobson not made a shed load more tackles than Brough on those stats. Dobson is class, and has improved every team he has played in.

More fool you.

Have you ever thought he may make more tackles because he is targeted by other teams due to his failings?

My maths isn't brilliant, but Dobson has made 103 more tackles than Brough but missed only 38 more. His tackle and missed tackle ratio is much better than Brough's, I'm afraid.

James Graham tops pretty much every statistic, but that doesn't make him better than Peacock or Morley does it. Too easy to get caught up in that. Ultimately, if only half of those missed tackles from Dobson result in tries, it's still enough to cost KR more than a few matches.

I don't like finding myself in a position of defending another team's player over one of ours, but I am sticking up for Dobson, not putting Broughy down.

As KR finished above us, your argument doesn't seem the strongest. Dobson is a very good player, and consistent with it, and unlikely to cost a game (or be suspended for one) due to a brainstorm. I would have Dobson in a Wakey shirt in a heartbeat. Also, surely a prop can be measured in stats, as that is the job of a prop, yards and tackles.

Also, looking at that dream team, if that is a measure of form, looks like a Leeds-v-Hull KR final.

Back to school I'm afraid. Brough misses one tackle for every 6.22 he completes, for Dobson it is one every 4.53.

Other than that I agree, he is a quality player and I don't think there is masses to choose between them on balance. I'd personally take Brough though as I think the Lord of the Rings look with dodgy stripe beats the premature balding fish mouth one.

Agree and it is crucial to take stats in context but Dobson has been superb for Hull KR all year, Brough has blown hot and cold.

I do rate Brough highly but Dobson in my opinion is in there on merrit as being the stand out 7 this year by some distance.

Think it is a pretty accurate side in my opinion although think Menzies and Locky have been slightly hard done to, especially Locky who has been superb is a team that has really struggled this year at times.

I got the calculator out too, but I have to confess that I wasn't sure if the bigger number was better or worse.

And he's got a worse error rate. Hey, I'm coming round to his way of thinking!

In fairness the last solicitor's bill I paid showed an even greater disregard for maths as far as I was concerned.

As for the SL stats on that site, I'm not so sure about them, I'm certain Brough has kicked 40-20s this season.