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| Thorniley has another season in him I think…
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| Quote: Kettykat "Would hall and Pratt be up to the full rigours of Super league as our main strike players in those positions personally I think not ,and still need more time to develop their games . As we’ve found out to our detriment there are no places to hide when the likes of Wigan , saints come calling , they are certainly no Collis or Tupou who would have graced any team in super league. Harsh as it may sound there is no room for sentiment if we are serious of competing with the very best . Imo we grab hall and develop him for the future the same as Pratt , but our starting centres next season , not for me I’m afraid , they’ll get torn a new one imo .'"
Not sure, Pratt is playing very well and a full season under his belt and another full time pre season should see him a lot more ready. Plus he’ll be 20/21 next season which isn’t fresh out of academy.
Physically he’s making great strides too. I’m not sure about Hall but equally there’s not much in terms of home based quality available at centre.
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| Quote: asmadasa "Thorniley has another season in him I think…'"
I agree with that.
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| Quote: Kettykat "Would hall and Pratt be up to the full rigours of Super league as our main strike players in those positions personally I think not ,and still need more time to develop their games . As we’ve found out to our detriment there are no places to hide when the likes of Wigan , saints come calling , they are certainly no Collis or Tupou who would have graced any team in super league. Harsh as it may sound there is no room for sentiment if we are serious of competing with the very best . Imo we grab hall and develop him for the future the same as Pratt , but our starting centres next season , not for me I’m afraid , they’ll get torn a new one imo .'"
That's sort of my thinking with bringing Hall in. I mean when we had those decent few years with Chester we had Tupou and Lyne both red hot at the time, dream team selection Lyne playing for England, imo not far off the best centre partnership in the league for those years and add to that I think we also had a couple of the best centre/wing partnerships going. We need players of that standard if we are serious about building a consistent top-competing side.
I think Pratt has come on in a short time but obviously, you have to line that up with the standard of the Championship. I do think after this year if he continues his trajectory I'd back him in SL. But as we know in SL you need quality defenders as well as attackers and I don't fancy starting with Hall and Pratt in SL if I'm being honest, not next year anyway, maybe it will come a year too soon as a pair.
This is where we could have done with a quota spot if we get into SL next season, to bring in a top Aussie, they have loads of quality centres and get him paired with TJ. Then we can bring in Hall, keep Pratt and develop them, along with Croft. That enables us to develop our own and plan for the future. We haven't, so hopefully Thornley can do another year which would give us a year to let these young guns develop even further.
Also, I think Derrell Olpherts has really settled down and become a decent signing, I'm pleased for the local lad and he would be good cover for us at SL tbh.
Watching the game back Doyle really impressed me, he always does but even more so yesterday. Watching the video you can really see how much more direction and quicker we played when he came on in that 2nd half. He's nippy, got a good fast pass off the deck, can see a gap and tackles as all good hookers do above his weight, and did great yesterday as well as the usual suspects that have been mentioned. It's great that we have him and Harry waiting in the wings, both top players at this level and their ceilings seems so high.
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| I agree.
Except, if we were to create space for another quota spot, it would be a scrum half not a centre.
If you replaced Gale with someone like Hastings the rest of the backline would really tick.
Whereas if you put a quality centre outside Lawford and Lino, we'd all be frustrated with the stuttering attack with the odd solo effort.
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| I’d be chasing hard for Abdull to partner Lino and bringing in a proven quality centre .Think the forwards will hold their own and even boss it up front , but the back line certainly needs tweaking to be competitive next season ,and Mr Mills certainly has a job on his hands to get us that right combination to make us a competitive team amongst the big boys
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| There’s not much at centre but I would probably retain Pratt and
Croft and sign Hall and probably look at Chamberlain who’s a solid centre with utility value or see if Thornley will give it another year with us.
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| Quote: Trojan Horse "There’s not much at centre but I would probably retain Pratt and
Croft and sign Hall and probably look at Chamberlain who’s a solid centre with utility value or see if Thornley will give it another year with us.'"
I don't think Croft is at the level of Pratt and I'm not sure if he will make SL standard.
I'm in disagreement with some on here becausr by the time we're hopefully back in SL I reckon Pratt and Hall would do it but I also reckon Thornley could do another stint so he would be first choice and an ideal mentor for Pratt in SL.
Hall has nothing to prove to me.
He knows what SL is all about and he'll be a year older. No brainer for me - let's get him back!
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| Quote: Shifty Cat "
Watching the game back Doyle really impressed me, he always does but even more so yesterday. Watching the video you can really see how much more direction and quicker we played when he came on in that 2nd half. He's nippy, got a good fast pass off the deck, can see a gap and tackles as all good hookers do above his weight, and did great yesterday as well as the usual suspects that have been mentioned. It's great that we have him and Harry waiting in the wings, both top players at this level and their ceilings seems so high.'"
Agree about Doyle, wasn't sure when we signed him but he's playing really well. Played 13 a few times as well I believe this year, really gets about it and tackles well. When he came on sunday we had a real purpose at the ruck and he runs fast and hard and always has defenders on their toes. good signing IMO and gone a bit under the radar
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| Quote: upthetrin92 "Agree about Doyle, wasn't sure when we signed him but he's playing really well. Played 13 a few times as well I believe this year, really gets about it and tackles well. When he came on sunday we had a real purpose at the ruck and he runs fast and hard and always has defenders on their toes. good signing IMO and gone a bit under the radar'"
He’s one I can see making steady but positive progress. Turned out to be a good signing and I’m sure he’ll continue developing this season and be ready for next in SL hopefully.
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| Quote: PopTart "I agree.
Except, if we were to create space for another quota spot, it would be a scrum half not a centre.
If you replaced Gale with someone like Hastings the rest of the backline would really tick.
Whereas if you put a quality centre outside Lawford and Lino, we'd all be frustrated with the stuttering attack with the odd solo effort.'"
We're meant to have signed Russell, so it'd be Russell and Lino wouldn't it as Lawford would be back up. Let's be honest ideally, we'd have a couple of places left on the quota to get both.
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| Ok Hall.
Great player, absolutely nothing wrong with his defence, baffles me why people think there is, but they did the same to TJ.
However, I happen to know the Hall story, the last bit of gossip I got after falling out of the loop.
I can’t do details but there was way more to it than just getting Dagger in, Hall has or at least had an issue at the time, that’s all I can say, other than it was one we couldn’t take a risk on.
I think Hall is a perfect fit for us, always did, we shall see.
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| Quote: vastman "Ok Hall.
Great player, absolutely nothing wrong with his defence, baffles me why people think there is, but they did the same to TJ.
However, I happen to know the Hall story, the last bit of gossip I got after falling out of the loop.
I can’t do details but there was way more to it than just getting Dagger in, Hall has or at least had an issue at the time, that’s all I can say, other than it was one we couldn’t take a risk on.
I think Hall is a perfect fit for us, always did, we shall see.'"
Not sure of the mystery, but the one rumour that I read a few times why we may have wanted to get rid of him, if it's the same one you're alluding to, is supposedly the club had concerns about his head knocks, but at the time I thought people could be reaching and just a rumour.
Who are they? I had a completely different opinion on TJ, he never had anything wrong with his defence, the only thing you could nitpick and it was when he first burst onto the scene was his positioning, which all wingers have to learn.
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| Quote: Shifty Cat "Not sure of the mystery, but the one rumour that I read a few times why we may have wanted to get rid of him, if it's the same one you're alluding to, is supposedly the club had concerns about his head knocks, but at the time I thought people could be reaching and just a rumour.
Who are they? I had a completely different opinion on TJ, he never had anything wrong with his defence, the only thing you could nitpick and it was when he first burst onto the scene was his positioning, which all wingers have to learn.'"
The TJ defence was just fans of top clubs using it as a stick to suggest he wasn’t the top winger or worthy of an England spot. There was no justification and it was drivel.
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