A bloke once said to me ' All the Wakey councillors must have something missing' I often wondered what he meant.

No schunter your right its not the Labour Party as such at fault,loads of Labour local authorities have done their areas proud with modern sporting facilities, Leigh and Warrington being prime examples.Even little old Dewsbury have fared better than Wakey. In fact the WMDC Labour Councillors seem to be doing a great job in making sure Cas get a brand new stadium GIVEN to them free of charge, no strings attached, a deal we can only dream of in Wakey.

Its the man at the top that is the problem and not the political party he represents.

None of the above it is the lack of money, we have planning permission supported by those very same councillors, we have a site but we don't have anybody to pay for it. The council must represent all the people and due to severe financial restraints from our friends in blue they cannot be seen to be investing in something that benefits anything from two to three thousand people at most.
I am sure that these same people are not putting any money into Featherstone or Castleford, the latter have the planning permission, the land but currently no money, this sounds familiar.
I know we like to blame others, but our main problem is the imposition of austerity coupled with a council which has three clubs within its jurisdiction.
I actually think it's quite amusing that you think by voting the Labour council out it would make one iota of difference to our position.
I want someone to explain to me what we will gain from moving to Dewsbury and abandoning Belle Vue. We have no contingency plans, so once we go that will be it, whatever MC may say because like our unelected leader leaving is leaving and like her we too don't know what we will do. We will have restricted our bargaining position because what do we have to argue with.
You can hear the analysis of our position "if you don't build us a new ground we will stay here in Dewsbury and be demoted because we don't have the money to upgrade their ground, how would you feel about that ".

Wrong!!!! No one is expecting WMDC to put money in albeit the 106 states they should contribute £2m. We could let them off that and still finish up a decent facility. All we are asking is that they don't let a dodgy developer get round his obligations as per the 106 and do their duty as a public body. I am sure Sandal Cat as gone over the lawfull ins and outs of this many times. Do your research and you may realise the true facts and forget all this anti Carter stuff.

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Answer me this, have the developers reached the agreed limits to build the ground. We may agree they have broken the spirit of the agreement but not the conditions therefore what can the council do. I doubt you would want them to turn away any jobs the current structure brings because I doubt that would go down well with many of the residents of Wakefield.
I believe the £2m you were talking about is not monetary it was council assets they said both Wakefield and Castleford could use as collateral for the benefit of each.

It makes me laugh when people state "just 3,000 people",

Last year our multi award winning Community Team had a positive impact on around 30,000 children. They ran a regular schools programme at both Primary and Secondary which gave them contact with 15,000 more. The dance school, despite all the ridicule, provides a platform for girls in their hundreds to get out and do something healthy.
The fit (fat) club has had an enormous impact on the health of its members. The touch and pass league has been one of the best in the RFL

The vehicle for all this is Wakefield Trinity RLFC

If we get a new stadium that measly 3,000 you quote has been shown to have the potential to grow to 8,000 and beyond. If we get any form of success in a new facility it'll run into 5 figures.

Beyond this it's the presence of a Super League club in the City that inspires thousands of kids to pick up an oval shaped ball and go join a community club.

No, the agreed limits have not been met but they never will if the Council keeps agreeing to exclude any developments from the S106 as they did with Newcold.

The £2m was promised at the PI by the Council, I dont recall them referring to it being Council assets when they gave evidence to HM Inspector but maybe you have a copy of the planning Consent granted by the SoS and can show me otherwise.

December 2010 two million offered to both clubs, don't know how but I was not the one who indicates that the council were providing to Castleford £2m and not us.
We would of course all have a better understanding regarding what had gone on if we had been provided with updates during the discussion period which was promised on more than one occasion. I doubt putting the discussion with Yorkcourt and the council in the public domain is going to have a detrimental effect on our current position.

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Its estimated at £17 million and they admit they don't know where the finance will come from.

You may be surprised here but I agree with all of your post but you may be pushing the 5 figure bit.

I think what Wire have achieved crowd wise is a good guide to what Wakey could achieve, IF we had a similar ground and said success. They've been around that 10k mark since they moved into the HJ in 2004 and they were mid table for the majority of the first six seasons. They had crowds around 5k and under at the start of SL at Wilderspool. Then when they had a few years in the top 8 that improved crowds up to 6k+. Then moved to the HJ and averaged 11k that first year, that gradually dropped into the 9k region until 2010 when they started being regular contenders. Tbh with the size of the City we live in, I don't think Avenger's saying anything OTT, that with some success we could get 10k crowds. All pie in the sky at the moment mind.

You have had some differences with the club, but you are spectacularly wrong on this.

It is the 'Political Will' that we seek; the will to drive this scheme forward by ensuring that the UU (106) submitted, logged and land registered by WMDC is not side stepped by the developer and that he is forced to provide the funding that was promised towards the new stadium in front of the SOS's inspector. The current leadership have appeared to have done exactly the opposite to this and have directly led to our being in the situation we currently sit.

For clarityonly viable option when put forward

FTR - I no longer care about the location - BV, NM or elsewhere, as long as it serves the Community of The City of Wakefield.

Vastmans opening post is again of value, but none of this is feasible without security of ownership / long lease and money - of which we have neither. The council remain key to all this!

Great post Avenger. You are dead right.

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