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| Quote: J.T "Quote: J.T "Quote: J.T "That stadium looks pants compared to ours. I would rather wait a few month and get our great new stadium passed. Jungle looks better than that !'"
Sorry but he deserves all he gets sometimes.
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| Quote: gizmo "Quote: gizmo "Quote: gizmo "Dissapointed to read the comments from TR in the League Express, TR should be reminded that he is very fortunate that WMDC are allowing any financial aid to the proposed development at Newmarket having previously purchased Belle Vue from the club and subsequently selling it back to TR for a nominal amount.
TR should be more concerned in concentrating on the problems that have beset the Wildcats for decades, lack of investment at Belle Vue been at the top of the list, By my reckoning there have been a minimum of four proposals for a new stadium in the last 20 years none of which came to fruition but rather became industrial units. And Ironically it is the Industrial side that is pushing the development at Newmarket not a stadium as they would have us all believe.'"
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WMDC having previously purchased Belle Vue, one would suggest that that money was spent by the club, it is certain that the money recieved at that time was not spent on any refurbishment at Belle Vue. Allowing the Club to re purchase Belle Vue for a nominal amount has since allowed the Wildcats to sell the Belle Vue site for a rather substantial amount well above the amount paid to WMDC. Part of that money has already been spent. In total taking into account the level of investment promised by WMDC for the Newmarket development no supporter could ever be critical of WMDC in terms of supporting the Wildcats financially.'"
When WT sold the ground to WMCD it was on the understanding that WMDC had no interest in owning a stadium and that at some point in the near future WT would buy the stadium back for the same price that they sold it!
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| Has this forum turned into the ginners forum they seem to be on here more than there own.
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| I wish people wouldn't come here and gloat everytime we (Cas) got a piece of good news. It stinks of immaturity.
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| Quote: Dettoriman "We waited. As we have ambitious plans to gain maximum media attention.'"
Like you did when you borrowed the diggerland digger last time? long time coing this.
The snipers ought to stop sniping, pi** back off to Cas and find their own forum again or are you lost
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| Quote: TURFEDOUT "Quote: TURFEDOUT "Quote: TURFEDOUT "Quote: TURFEDOUT "Quote: TURFEDOUT "Quote: TURFEDOUT "Dissapointed to read the comments from TR in the League Express, TR should be reminded that he is very fortunate that WMDC are allowing any financial aid to the proposed development at Newmarket having previously purchased Belle Vue from the club and subsequently selling it back to TR for a nominal amount.
TR should be more concerned in concentrating on the problems that have beset the Wildcats for decades, lack of investment at Belle Vue been at the top of the list, By my reckoning there have been a minimum of four proposals for a new stadium in the last 20 years none of which came to fruition but rather became industrial units. And Ironically it is the Industrial side that is pushing the development at Newmarket not a stadium as they would have us all believe.'"
You failed to mention why it was sold back for a nominal amount.'"
WMDC having previously purchased Belle Vue, one would suggest that that money was spent by the club, it is certain that the money recieved at that time was not spent on any refurbishment at Belle Vue. Allowing the Club to re purchase Belle Vue for a nominal amount has since allowed the Wildcats to sell the Belle Vue site for a rather substantial amount well above the amount paid to WMDC. Part of that money has already been spent. In total taking into account the level of investment promised by WMDC for the Newmarket development no supporter could ever be critical of WMDC in terms of supporting the Wildcats financially.'"
Your statement makes it clear you have little idea of why WMDC "purchased" Belle Vue.'"
Why WMDC purchased the site is irrelevant, the fact is they did, and having allowed the re purchase for a minimal amount and then the subsequent sale to a developer, the fact remains the club has gained rather substantially. I would suggest that no money has ever been spent on Belle Vue although the club has recieved substantial sums for it. Meanwhile we the fans have been promised stadium after stadium which have never materialised, but like most people I have witnessed those sites been developed into industrial units. Why should I expect anything different from the Newmarket proposal, history proves that it is most likely industrial units we will see at Newmarket not a stadium. Call me a sceptic if you like but we have seen and heard all this before.'"
Irrelevant?No,not really.
If you cared to find out why,you would then realise how ridiculous your previous comments are.
No money ever spent on Belle Vue?
I can only presume that you must have a different understanding of the word "no" compared to the rest of the world.
How much do you think it costs each year just to get a decrepid old ground like Belle Vue up to the minimum standard for a safety certiifcate??
I presume in your world -- nothing!!!'"
Irrelevant are you really serious.
In the 1960s we had a four sided stadium, one stand was sold and for years we had a three sided stadium, then the stand was knocked down, then the main standing area old score board end was split in half due to lack of funding needed to keep that standing area up to scratch. Then some idiot put the benidorm apartments in. So in reality there are few fans that would come on here and say that the club has spent money on Belle Vue at any time, JUST LOOK AT THE PLACE. And to answer your question on how much money has been spent to keep the ground up to minimum standards the answer my friend is as little as possible. You do miss the point of my post, we have for years had false promises of a new stadium right or wrong, so until Newmarket is built I will remain sceptical. In closing do you really believe that TR and RW and other partners at Newmarket did not know that the proposal for Newmarket was not going to be called in THEY DID as did everyone else.
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| Quote: no, you can keep your twenty million, we're spend our own, thank you "I don't think Trinity went along with Thornes Park in the hope that it would be funded by the council, but on the promise that it would be. The two positions are entirely different, and it would have been madness for the club to have said, "no, you can keep your twenty million, we're spend our own, thank you".
And the council wasn't being entirely altruistic, as it suited them to be seen to be providing sports facilities in a city that was near the bottom of the league nationwide in such things. It had little to do with rugby.'"
A promise you say. Did they cross their hearts and hope to die? No seriously though I take it Ted got this promise in Writing? All that said I can see why you shelved your OWN plans on the words of the council, salt of the earth those politicians.
Anyway got to go I have just been PROMISED a nice little earner from a Nigerian fellow who sent m an email, all I have to do is send him my bank details let him deposit some money there and I get 25K. I know your probably thinking its too good to be true, but he has PROMISED.
And on the subject of the two positions (hope/promise) being different the same could be said for your post "I think" as opposed to I know, "two completely different positions.
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| Quote: rugbyball "Quote: rugbyball "I don't think Trinity went along with Thornes Park in the hope that it would be funded by the council, but on the promise that it would be. The two positions are entirely different, and it would have been madness for the club to have said, "no, you can keep your twenty million, we're spend our own, thank you".
And the council wasn't being entirely altruistic, as it suited them to be seen to be providing sports facilities in a city that was near the bottom of the league nationwide in such things. It had little to do with rugby.'"
A promise you say. Did they cross their hearts and hope to die? No seriously though I take it Ted got this promise in Writing? All that said I can see why you shelved your OWN plans on the words of the council, salt of the earth those politicians.
You've gone completely OTT once again here. You know that we would not have had signed contracts on a scheme such as this, but you also know that most business is done by agreement subject to contract and that many contracts fail to occur for all sorts of reasons. That doesn't mean that when the people you are dealing with, particularly officials of the council, that you stand in front of them and say 'we don't believe you' (even if that is true!).
At some stage any contract is going to require an amount of funding, and WMDC appeared willing to pay that money - in the form of the feasibility study - which did a little more than just suggest they 'might' be serious. The other site available would have also required cash at that time - and it was unlikely that funds would be spent exploring 2 stadia for 1 club - now that really would blow the minds of all those who think we should have 1 stadia for 2 clubs!
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| I was so excited by the news that Cas was going to become a " world-class iconic establishment." that a little bit of wee came out!
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| You have to admire the Cas publicity machine though. Ignoring the bickering about whether the Cas stadium will actually get started, Cas have either deliberately timed their press releases to perfection, or else they have got lucky, because an outsider looking at this last seven days would say that we are sliding quickly downwards and Cas climbing quickly upwards. You have got to hand it to them for funding their own stadium and for maximising our news from last week for their own benefit.
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| "At some stage any contract is going to require an amount of funding, and WMDC appeared willing to pay that money - in the form of the feasibility study - which did a little more than just suggest they 'might' be serious. The other site available would have also required cash at that time - and it was unlikely that funds would be spent exploring 2 stadia for 1 club"
You have stated that the alternative site would have required cash to explore it's potential; you then go on to say that we couldn't expect the council to pay for this as well as the Thornes Park feasibility study. My question is this - Why did we require the council to pay for the alternative site study? We have been told that this site was the club's own project, independent from the councils Thornes Park idea. So why didn't we spend our own money to fund a feasibilty study for our own stadium? If the club has gone along with the Thornes Park idea just so it didn't have to spend it's own money exploring an alternate site, then I don't see how we can complain about the council at all, as we have handed our future to them rather than taking control of our own destiny. I have yet to hear from anyone on here what the alternate site was - I can't see any reason why someone (TRB always seems to be "in the know"icon_wink.gif doesn't just say where the alternate site was, and why it was not able to be followed up on rather than the Newmarket site (another site which, curiously, has cost the club nothing to explore).
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| Quote: Chairman Miaow ""At some stage any contract is going to require an amount of funding, and WMDC appeared willing to pay that money - in the form of the feasibility study - which did a little more than just suggest they 'might' be serious. The other site available would have also required cash at that time - and it was unlikely that funds would be spent exploring 2 stadia for 1 club"
You have stated that the alternative site would have required cash to explore it's potential; you then go on to say that we couldn't expect the council to pay for this as well as the Thornes Park feasibility study. My question is this - Why did we require the council to pay for the alternative site study? We have been told that this site was the club's own project, independent from the councils Thornes Park idea. So why didn't we spend our own money to fund a feasibilty study for our own stadium? If the club has gone along with the Thornes Park idea just so it didn't have to spend it's own money exploring an alternate site, then I don't see how we can complain about the council at all, as we have handed our future to them rather than taking control of our own destiny. I have yet to hear from anyone on here what the alternate site was - I can't see any reason why someone (TRB always seems to be "in the know"icon_wink.gif doesn't just say where the alternate site was, and why it was not able to be followed up on rather than the Newmarket site (another site which, curiously, has cost the club nothing to explore).'"
Exactly my friend, come on tell us what exactly WTWC gave up, in favour of a feasibility study? Because from what is being said this project of your own was not really a goer, if id did indeed exist. Is their any information on the swag site about the project?
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| SWAG didn't exist then ... but can confirm the Club was well into negotiations for a site near the current Belle Vue ground.
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| The only alternative site located near Belle Vue is the former Power Station site. And if feasible would have been a far better opportunity than Newmarket to develop a new stadium, then again LEEDS would have moved the boundary AGAIN so that they can take a percentage, as is the case at Newmarket.
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| Quote: Catwoman1 "SWAG didn't exist then ... but can confirm the Club was well into negotiations for a site near the current Belle Vue ground.'"
Quote from swag after Thornes Park fell through, note the first sentence. If you already had a site with a good chance of development why were you asking the council for a site?
Quote: Catwoman1 "WMDC were asked for a site. After much deliberation they chose Thornes Park. It is clear now that the original premise (that WMDC owned the site) was incorrect and, as such, the site was unlikely ever to happen – in hindsight!
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