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| Agree no tidy full mashing is required if not our pants have pulled down by yc and wmdc
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| Quote: bren2k "All this talk of tidying up and make do and mend, whilst interesting, is letting YC and WMDC off the hook massively! If I recall correctly, the SoS ordered that in return for a massive chunk of land being taken out of green belt, that YCP were to provide a fit for purpose modern stadium for community use, with WT as the anchor tenant - when did that get downgraded to a group of volunteers installing second hand steel and a lick of paint?
If we get anything less than what was promised, we've been had - and anyone who accepts that is complicit in the chicanery of YCP, WMDC and SRW.'"
Can't argue with that.
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| Quote: bren2k "All this talk of tidying up and make do and mend, whilst interesting, is letting YC and WMDC off the hook massively! If I recall correctly, the SoS ordered that in return for a massive chunk of land being taken out of green belt, that YCP were to provide a fit for purpose modern stadium for community use, with WT as the anchor tenant - when did that get downgraded to a group of volunteers installing second hand steel and a lick of paint?
If we get anything less than what was promised, we've been had - and anyone who accepts that is complicit in the chicanery of YCP, WMDC and SRW.'"
That's the long game. YC clearly don't have any intention of funding a stadium so waiting for them to do so is futile. The council either don't think they can enforce them or, I suspect, don't particularly want to for fear of what will come out. To have a complete about turn from Box from a stance of a new stadium is nothing to do with them to a potential loan (should that scenario come to pass) is quite frankly astounding. Clearly someone doesn't want any awkward questions being asked.
If nothing else if the community/training facilities minus the new stadium are constructed up at NM with a fit for purpose refurb at BV then it's not a bad outcome from this mess.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "If nothing else if the community/training facilities minus the new stadium are constructed up at NM with a fit for purpose refurb at BV then it's not a bad outcome from this mess.'"
I take the point - but it kind of is a bad outcome, because it's not what was promised, or mandated by the SoS.
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| Quote: bren2k "All this talk of tidying up and make do and mend, whilst interesting, is letting YC and WMDC off the hook massively! If I recall correctly, the SoS ordered that in return for a massive chunk of land being taken out of green belt, that YCP were to provide a fit for purpose modern stadium for community use, with WT as the anchor tenant - when did that get downgraded to a group of volunteers installing second hand steel and a lick of paint?
If we get anything less than what was promised, we've been had - and anyone who accepts that is complicit in the chicanery of YCP, WMDC and SRW.'"
Excellent point Bren and if the world was anything like "fair", there should be a community stadium at Newmarket.
Unfortunately, it just doesn't appear that this is likely to happen anytime soon and time is not "our" friend.
It's an utter disgrace that Yorkcourt, aided and abetted by WMDC, seem to be off the hook but maybe, we have to get what we can for now and hope to deal with Yorkcourt and WMDC at a later date ??
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| Quote: bren2k "I take the point - but it kind of is a bad outcome, because it's not what was promised, or mandated by the SoS.'"
Ideal world bren, sadly we're not in one and the dodgy developer knows full well they can't be made to deliver anything they don't want to. Making the best of a bad situation by playing the legal card on the LA has got us to this point. We'll be waiting forever if we are holding our hopes on YC fronting up.
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| Quote: bren2k "I take the point - but it kind of is a bad outcome, because it's not what was promised, or mandated by the SoS.'"
Seems to me that the SoS is a toothless tiger! What a waste of time and public money calling the scheme in was.
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| Whilst I appreciate and agree with Bren as regards the the dishonesty, chicanery, duplicity et al displayed by various parties we are where we are .
Do we hold out , and hold out and witness the demise of Trinity?
I for one ,after over 60 years supporting,am not prepared to do that.
We need to salvage what we can to ensure the progress being made in all other areas is complemented by a Stadium securing Superleague survival.
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| I think there's some middle ground between holding out for exactly in every detail what we were promised and doing Belle Vue up on the relatively cheap, over a few years with the help of volunteers. Hopefully, the Club is really having positive meetings with the Council and a plan is going to be announced soon that if not exactly what we asked for, is near enough to it that it enables us to watch RL in new surroundings with good corporate etc and hopefully we get some Community facilities sorted as well.
ATEOTD we'll just have to wait till the club can tell us something concrete -maybe the new chairman John Minards has managed to work some magic as far the Council is concerned and got somewhere.
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| Quote: Shifty Cat "
ATEOTD we'll just have to wait till the club can tell us something concrete -
Literally!
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| Quote: bren2k "All this talk of tidying up and make do and mend, whilst interesting, is letting YC and WMDC off the hook massively! If I recall correctly, the SoS ordered that in return for a massive chunk of land being taken out of green belt, that YCP were to provide a fit for purpose modern stadium for community use, with WT as the anchor tenant - when did that get downgraded to a group of volunteers installing second hand steel and a lick of paint?
If we get anything less than what was promised, we've been had - and anyone who accepts that is complicit in the chicanery of YCP, WMDC and SRW.'"
Hear Hear!! bren.
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| So the new chairman Minards and Michael Carter(who inherited this mess) are complicit in all the wrongdoings if they salvage something from this wreckage?
Absolute nonsense.
Why don’t you tell them that ?
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| Quote: thebeagle "So the new chairman Minards and Michael Carter(who inherited this mess) are complicit in all the wrongdoings if they salvage something from this wreckage?
Absolute nonsense.
Why don’t you tell them that ?'"
I don't think anyone on this thread had said that, more to do with the council and developer trying to get out of what they promised.
For me, I'd be happy with a redeveloped Belle Vue along the lines of what Vastman has talked about. In an ideal world I'd like BV flattened and built again but I don't think we will get that.
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| One of the arguments at the time re green belt was that it was about to be taken out of green belt anyway. Further, if anyone is seriously arguing that Wakefield has been deprived of some meadow due to Yorkcourt's chicanery has lost the plot. It was an old field on the site of a former colliery by the M62.
Also, if anyone really believes that what was wanted was a community facility above else, again they are fooling themselves. Newmarket would have had no support at all if they had said we will build a community sports facility but Trinity can't play there.
It was what we always knew it was: a Wakefield stadium on a bit of scrap-land by the motorway, and the community element merely strengthened the argument. To suggest that anyone who achieves a Wakefield stadium fit for Super League is somehow complicit in Yorkcourt's chicanery is talking nonsense. Yorkcourt's chicanery is one thing. We want a stadium. If there is a way to get one, get one. Yorkcourt's conduct can be a matter for a different fight on a different day.
What would be madness would be to say that we should force Yorkcourt to comply and everything else should be sidelined.
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