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| Quote: factsareus "All well run business would before such momentous decisions take surveys. Consultations.and opinions.
None have been done.
We are faced with it costs too much to stay at bell vue and yet at the same time been told that nothing has been spent on the ground ?
That the rent is too expensive yet this week at Wembley I am told no negotiation was carried out and indeed a very reasonable rent could be achieved.
We have swayed between developing bell vue and Newmarket once we leave then one of the options disappear and chances of developmen are nil.
With limited Information we are told that yourcourt are making offers to buy the ground if now this does not go ahead does that mean any enhanced value we may have achieved to help build Newmarket is thrown away?
I am amazed how people can just say oh dewsbury ..not too bad.and give up our heritage.
Who can rely if past experience is anything to go by on super leagues assurances on our ability to get back or stay in super league if we move and what assurances have been given.
Before it's too late to stay at our wonderful ground ( not the description used buy some I know )'"
Ok, I don't have any inside information but let me give you my thoughts on the points you make.
Firstly, the cost of staying at Belle Vue is the rent of approx £120k per year, plus the "upkeep" which I believe amounts to about the same as we are told that it costs us £250k per year for BV.
As for negotiations with BOI, we're led to believe that we tried to do that and they wouldn't negotiate, which is why 6 months notice was given. I'm assuming that the person you spoke to at Wembley wasn't the CEO of BOI so the reasonable rent you were told about was probably guesswork, also see the first point, it's not just the rent but the additional costs of maintaining Belle Vue.
The rumour I heard about Yorkcourt's offer to buy BV (and I stress rumour as I don't know) was that they had offered a derisory figure that BOI would never accept and it was a publicity stunt conjured up by the council and Yorkcourt.
As for Dewsbury, I'd rather be at Belle Vue but if we can't afford it, then we can't afford it and we have to find somewhere to play. I'm not sure where else there is, but I'm sure that Michael Carter has looked at all the options and thinks this one makes the most financial sense.
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| Hallelujah Fordy,just about sums it up
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| The figure given is in my opinion less than dewsbury. Although I don't know dewsbury actual figer
Where would that leave your views ?
As for spend on the ground Mr carter as said nothing on the ground hence the state of the pitch.
We do have a team of helpers ... perhaps the alleged 130k spent with suppliers would have resulted in some sponsorship?
I agree with you on one point would prefer to stay at belle vue .
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| factsareus = doesn't really know what's going on and is putting sentiment before what's viable for the club.
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| Yes think sentiment is right ...and would have thought that is exactly what should be the very essence of what a club should be
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| Quote: factsareus "Yes think sentiment is right ...and would have thought that is exactly what should be the very essence of what a club should be'"
Unfortunately sentiment gets you back to square one.
Rebuilding a squad after financial meltdown again.
Unless you know the ins and outs of what MC is doing, then I suggest you keep your master plan on the back burner.
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| On the subject of not knowing the facts, it's been nearly a month since this news broke and we still don't know Carter's side of the story. Was the offer by York court rejected? There's less than six months to the start of next season and we have no confirmed home ground.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "On the subject of not knowing the facts, it's been nearly a month since this news broke and we still don't know Carter's side of the story. Was the offer by York court rejected? There's less than six months to the start of next season and we have no confirmed home ground.'"
We are going to stay up and be the RFL expansion team by taking all our home games on the 'road' to promote the game to the wider audience.
'Ave it!
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| Pounds in equals pounds out simple you could run the club like that..this is the rational of current management as stated by current board.not saying it's easy but if that is paramount as it would seem to be I am not sure that takes into account long term thinking
are we not allowed others views?
questioning a strategy for the future is it such a heresy ?
This forum has limited representation of the fans of the club and I have yet to speak to anyone if given the choice wouldn't like to stay at Bellevue.and I am not convince a decision to move is best long term.
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| Quote: factsareus "Pounds in equals pounds out simple you could run the club like that..this is the rational of current management as stated by current board.not saying it's easy but if that is paramount as it would seem to be I am not sure that takes into account long term thinking
are we not allowed others views?
questioning a strategy for the future is it such a heresy ?
This forum has limited representation of the fans of the club and I have yet to speak to anyone if given the choice wouldn't like to stay at Bellevue.and I am not convince a decision to move is best long term.'"
Without a planned return to the city it isnt.
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| Some good and bad news in this article,
The clubs doing better financially and building bridges with the RFL and the local business community
Sir Rodney Walker breaks his silence and seems very optimistic over a new stadium.
The sting in the tail is the news that Brian Smith is likely to go home at the seasons end.
And, although the accounts for the year ended 30 November 2014 are unaudited and don’t include a profit and loss account, they appear to show that the club made a small profit of just over £20,000 for the 2014 season.
At the end of the year the club had net liabilities of £1,511,688, but of that figure £1,016,974 is owed to shareholders, of which £853,500 is owed to Chairman Michael Carter.
“They have agreed that these accounts will not be repaid until such time as the company has adequate funds available to allow it to pay its other debts as they fall due,” says a note to the accounts.
“Following the year end the company has continued to pay its creditors as they fall due. All amounts due to HMRC as disclosed on returns filed have been pad on or before their due dates; all loan payments to the RFL have been made on a timely basis and all trade creditors are being paid on terms.”
At the balance sheet date the amount owed to the RFL was £134,750, reduced from £377,499 a year earlier.
Meanwhile Sir Rodney Walker, the Chairman of the Wakefield Community Stadium Trust, has told League Express that he is growing more optimistic about securing a new stadium for the club.
“It’s been a long haul and there is still a long way to go, but you are speaking to me at the end of a week in which we have seen more progress in terms of my optimism for a successful outcome than we’ve seen for a year or two,” said Sir Rodney.
“The problem is that I’ve had three different Chairmen to work with and a change in the economic environment. When we started this process, raising money wasn’t as difficult as it is now.
“I am more optimistic now than I have been for some time that we will get a new stadium for Wakefield fit for purpose.
“The club is very keen to go to a new stadium at Newmarket and I was with the developer 48 hours ago. They are still committed to helping the club financially wherever the decision is to have the stadium.
“There is unquestionably a groundswell among some supporters that Belle Vue should be refurbished as part of a development project for the whole of that area of Wakefield. The local Council has announced a new outer ring road for Wakefield that will pass very close to the Belle Vue area.
“But for now all I want to say that I am more optimistic than I have been for some time that we will be able to secure a new stadium for the club.”
Less promising, however, is the prospect of retaining current coach Brian Smith for next season. League Express understands that Smith is likely to return to his farm in Australia at the end of the season
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| I understand and sympathise with the disgruntled fans who feel they should have been consulted before planning to leave our ancestral home forever, particularly without any other permanent home guaranteed within the city or outside. It may seem suicidal for the club, BUT...
People forget what position we we're left in by the end of the Glover/Elston period. They saw no option than to put us back into admin. It was only MC/CB's intervention that prevented that. Where would we (and lots of creditors) be now if that had been allowed to happen? To recover from that position was something of a miracle in itself. Follow that with reduced crowds and crippling rent and repair bills, the future was still unsustainable. There was no choice. We could not stay at BV on the current terms. So, you try to reduce the rent or you move to a more viable site. It would seem that BOI are not interested in keeping us as tenants at a lower rate, so the only option is to move, hopefully temporarily.
I view it like this, moving away may well be the death knell for the club, but there's no point in worrying about a death sentence from a future trial if we've already had our final meal and the gallows are prepared for mismanagement crimes of the past. If we don't get a pardon from the current situation, we'll already be swinging from the noose long before any other project can materialise.
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| Under stands a very general term, Im willing to bet they have not got a clue.
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| Michael And Chris are both very aware that the club needs to be in Wakefield but, as for playing a dangerous game, that started around 10 years ago and there will be risk in every decision taken, but they still have to be taken.
Yes, some fans will not be comfortable with the outcome - whatever that is - but the Trust is committed to a new stadium at Newmarket and is working hard towards that goal. We are still 'negotiating' and now we are at the end of the holiday period we hope to publish our position very shortly.
As for the question of where we play whilst we wait, that is for the club alone to decide and, whilst I have an opinion, it is not my call and I will understand whatever the decision is!
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| Quote: coco the fullback "I understand and sympathise with the disgruntled fans who feel they should have been consulted before planning to leave our ancestral home forever, particularly without any other permanent home guaranteed within the city or outside. It may seem suicidal for the club, BUT...
People forget what position we we're left in by the end of the Glover/Elston period. They saw no option than to put us back into admin. It was only MC/CB's intervention that prevented that. Where would we (and lots of creditors) be now if that had been allowed to happen? To recover from that position was something of a miracle in itself. Follow that with reduced crowds and crippling rent and repair bills, the future was still unsustainable. There was no choice. We could not stay at BV on the current terms. So, you try to reduce the rent or you move to a more viable site. It would seem that BOI are not interested in keeping us as tenants at a lower rate, so the only option is to move, hopefully temporarily.
I view it like this, moving away may well be the death knell for the club, but there's no point in worrying about a death sentence from a future trial if we've already had our final meal and the gallows are prepared for mismanagement crimes of the past. If we don't get a pardon from the current situation, we'll already be swinging from the noose long before any other project can materialise.'"
Agree completely
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