Wow!

You've cracked the conundrum of how to return us to the top of the game.

It was that simple huh!

All our money on rent and maintenance, I was under the impression that we had some money to spend on other things too.

How's about we just change some policies to make attending a game more enjoyable, that would cost us nothing!

How about we carry one less fringe player and redirect the money towards marketing the games! We've currently got approx 32 Super League players, almost 2 full 17s.

How about we start talking up the club a bit, you know show a bit of positivity instead of painting everything grey and being pessimistic.

Maybe we should rethink the student season tickets and try to fill the ground with some younger supporters, maybe they'll buy a burger or a beer and actually increase match day revenue.

First team players should be contracted to spend a set number of hours doing media work, community and school work every week. Growing awareness of the clubs fixtures while also engaging kids who might just become interested in playing or actually attending games.

I haven't spent anything extra yet, had you noticed!

Really?
Doubling the Season ticket prices and the generally unfriendly welcome, the bouncers on the doors,plus asking people to pay for the Privilege of using the bar, upping the concession age by 5 years and removing the student discount and generally removing any interest for juniors.

All these , I would suggest have more to do with the falling gates than the state of the ground. Up until MC took over our gates had been steadily increasing for a few years and BV was no better then was it?

Add this to the garbage fare on offer this year and hey presto

How much will dewsbury charge us or Doncaster for that matter

bang on Avenger.

We had a ground that met minimum standards, well until we stopped spending money on it. I know why spend money on a ground you do not own, but wait a minute is that not the same situation at Dewsbury.
We will lose the revenue from the flats and I would expect that the concessions in the ground will be contracted to Dewsbury. The falling attendance is nothing to do with the ground but everything to do with the experience both on and off the field. What about the money we invested on the new season ticket system I hope this was on a short term lease so that we can give it back if not then that was not a good financial decision.
A plus with Dewsbury is that you can bring drinks into the ground unless of course not at the games we are involved in.

A fringe player will be on max 16k.

How far does that go in marketing? A 1 week billboard costs £2k.

Then you'd moan we weren't giving our juniors a pathway.

MC stated this week that its the first year that ALL players and suppliers have been paid on time and in full.

How many fewer over 60s or students have bought STs this year? I assume you have this info.

Hopefully those discounts will be reintroduced, but if the increases this year mean we have balanced the books a little and rebuilt some of the goodwill in the business world, then fair enough.

One thing is for certain, halfing the ticket cost, doesn't double the attendance.

If I were a wakey fan there are a few things I'd want to know before commenting on any proposed move away from Belle Vue. For example; How much actually is the rent? I've heard reports of it costing £250,000 to play at Belle Vue this year, but is that the rental figure or does it include other add on's as alluded to above? If so, what were they? Are they likely to be included in the price every year? What are comparison rates for rental like? There are plenty of other's too, but this would be the main one to get things rolling.
From reading on this forum and listening to family & friends who follow wakey it feels like there's a ''support us or else' attitude running through the club on a number of decisions, big and small. I get that MC owns the club, but I think more could be done to get the fans behind him and ultimately the club (tag lines are cheesy, of that there's no doubt but together you really are stronger). Best of luck.

I believe about half of that figure quoted is rent and the other half is maintenance costs.

If we had not signed Yates, Tansey, Kirke, Kavanagh and say Molloy and there's circa £100k saving right there without too much detriment to the team. If there are gaps in the squad or injuries used your juniors. Trinity have wasted more than £250k on garbage players this year.

How much are Dewsbury charging anyway? £50k per annum?

I will say it again . the clubs owned by M C he can run it as he likes . I remember challenging him over a year ago about the lack of marketing and speculating to accumulate. I got short change then from M C and many on here . I then remember you get what you pay for episode holding the supporters responsible for the playing squad . while telling the supporters we would have a squad that would compete in SL.
I do not like the tone or the way M C runs the club but I don't support him I support Wakefield Trinity . I would suspect he acts in the best Interests of his investment first and club second. With regards to Dewsbury I think its probably the best option available .

I’m going to play devils advocate here - and hope that I’m right - in the vain hope that there is some master plan behind the horrors the club currently face.

Everything I write is pure speculations but my facts as ever will be correct….Also a number of posters have touched on these points.

We can’t afford rent or at least don’t want to pay that rent for a load of crap.

We now know our long term future is away from BV.

Short term however it’s still viable JUST.

We know that the land despite having planning permission is not fit to build on - or at least large sections aren’t without extensive and prohibitive costs.

We know that fundamentally BV is not an attractive site for anything much.

We know that the grounds covenants are strong enough to heavily delay though not stop any development at very little legal costs.Leverage.

BOI know it’s got a lemon on it’s hands and can’t believe we agreed to such a high rent to start with.

They have also already recouped the money they lost to the old club over the last 5 years if the figures quoted are to be accepted.

Someone sympathetic puts in a very low bid on “finding out” the land is up for grabs.

BOI are not developers or landlords, they have recouped their losses so even a low sale cost will yield them a profit and get the damn thing off their books.

Whoever will pay a fair bit in loan repayments or lose some interest if the cash is lent free and short term but at least know that they will at some point in the future recoup most if not all of it on the sale of the ground which in the meantime they will have stripped off any covenants.

It’s what I’d do, so I’m probably wrong, but if by some fluke I’m right I hope the BOI don’t read this forum (though I suspect they would twig it and not give a stuff anyway).

People who could do this

The BOD and maybe a few well wishers using a front company.

Sir Rodney Walker

Ted Richardson (assuming he won his case against Sainsbury’s) left field but possible.

As I say, utter speculation and a bit of fun and perhaps a glimmer of hope.

That's roughly the situation we were in around round 8 when Webster said we were resigned to the bottom 4...a team and squad that weren't good enough to compete.

Fans on here were in uproar, but that's what you are suggesting we return to.

It's a fact that the rent being paid to BoI is considerably above the market rate for that land.

BoI have banked on Wakey having no other option than to pay it. Supply and demand, I guess, but with the exit point on the contract coming up a few weeks back, the club can look at other, more realistic supply.

Personally I don't think your far off the mark there old boy, Carter hasn't gone to the trouble and expense to fetch Smith over and give him license to swap and change the playing staff for the fun of it, I'm sure he's banking on him keeping us in superleague and if he does I can honestly see the club or people close to it buying it and developing it as and when finances dictate.
All this of course will become academic if we fail to maintain our superleague status, and maybe Mr carter is looking for other options like Dewsbury or Doncaster if that is the case as maybe buying it would not be a viable option in the championship.
There are things attributed to the chairman which has made him unpopular to some fans, right or wrong I'm sure he was aware of these matters at the time, but as finances are his forte I'm sure he's smarter than some on here would give him credit for.

So its looking like Dewsbury on a Saturday then next season

Which would mean I wouldn't be able to make many games at all. But I can see why they would choose Saturdays as Dewsbury will
rightly get the Sundays.

Not sure about that. Dews will not be at home every Sunday will they