He has, but without using those exact words, except that the topic is entitled "Agar Out part 2". He did say that if Agar has to go, then sooner rather than later, and that Agar has to go.

I do think a point may come in the season where we need a blood and thunder coach, however, and I'm not sure that Agar does that style.

Based on performances over the last 18 months (& the 1st half of the play off season) i agree to a certain extent, but after been given the opportunity to rebuild the squad again, i think we have to stand by him at least until 10'ish games in and see where we stand.

What would people class as acceptable by round 10? 4pts? 6pts? Or does it depend on what the rest of the table looks like? Have Bradford been let off with there pints deduction?

At the start of the season I would’ve realistically hoped for four wins for the first ten games. Now it’s likely be three from ten, with perhaps HKR away as a potential bonus win.

Salford – away –loss
Bulls – home - win (actual loss)
Wigan - away – loss
Catalans – home – win
London – away -win
Saints - home – loss
HKR – away – loss
Leeds – away – loss
Cas – home – win (derby’s rarely go to form, 2011 for perfect example)
Farts – away - loss

Interesting !!!

I will go with your logic and if things work out really well and we nick a win at HKR we will have played 10won 4 and
could still be hanging in there with a chance of staying up.

However HKR ,Catalan and cas will all be very hard games and we could easily loose. If that happens I think our season would be just about over.

You never know we my just pinch it at Wigan but I don't think we will, so that game against catalan could shape our destiny.

Predicting games is never a good idea when we are talking about Wakefield

The point being, when you look at Khlav's list.....would a new coach improve that ratio?

At the end of the day coaching can only get you so far, the players need to go out and perform. For me in the Bradford game the problems were down to individual errors which you cant blame on the coach rather than poor coaching.

Looking at that I feel the Catalans game will shappe our season. Despite it probably being the best possible time to play them I don't expect anything from the wigan game other than a much improved performance. Catalans host Leeds this week so another defeat there and the pressure will be on them just as much as us. London we should win but as it stands now the others look very tough. We need to make big strides over the next 3 games and pick up at least 4 points otherwise we are going to be left behind. If we then get through the easter period with just a win or two to our name then maybe it will be time for a change.

Again, why let Agar coach these tough games that we are not expecting him to win, and then change when he doesn't.
For me, if you decide at the beginning of the seaon that he is your coach, give him chance to do his job before getting rid.

didn't expect to log on today and see this still being fairly hotly debated!

from what I've read here on topic I can't see many differing opinions to be honest, just different views on the variables.

As a Cas fan I think we've discovered the secret to playing at our best - DP is very much an organiser, and has got the team realy finely tuned in terms of game management - we have been guilty of throwing games away in the past 3/4 years and Sunday was the first time I've felt aat ease being a score in front.

The point I'm making is that, IMO, RA doesn't seem to be much of an organiser in that sense. This is a year where getting ovr that wining post means everything - performance aside, WTW coud be on 4 points now rather than 0 if chances were taken, it'll be a regret to look back and see 5/6 games that were lost when they were inches from being won

Dropped balls and ball reefing aside, the tactics in that game were some of the worst I've seen. The attack was predictable, slow, and completly toothless in the main. This is sort of understandable for now, I guess if players aren't up to scratch just yet then it will be very cautious and the execution will be off.

A question none of us can answer though....

Was the attack so turgid because :

the tactics were off?
the players are still unsure of calls/plays?
the players have no faith in the plays?

On the evidence I'd say a mixture of the three to be honest - bringing Sammut on lead to:

bringing off a SR
moving your S/O to centre
moving your centre to SR.

If RA sticks with that as a game plan then you're certain to go down for me - no wonder the attack was totally muddled up, and that must surely lead to little mistakes in the defensive line too.

All this is irrelevant however when your stats were 31 missed tackles and 16 knock on's. Wayne Bennett and Vince Karalius' love child couldn't help you with that.

Based on the constant struggle for field position it was tough to really show what your last tackle plays were cause you rarely made it to the 6th, so the water is a little clouded really.

It's personal opinion - does RA inspire me? Not really. Does RA have a good record? Hit and miss... In honesty I'd say RA has had a 7 week period where you've looked like a quality side. if those 7 wns had've been 2 wins I think he'd have gone by now.

I don't think it's a decision that can be made at the moment - I think the pro's of keeping him by far outweigh the con's. There's no guarantee that a change of coach is the answer, JUST yet.

Either way, if you can get your first win soon you've a decent first 17 that IMO is better than 13th (albeit not by a massive margin) and I'm sure some more will follow.

HKR showed yesterday that results are possible from any position against any team really - I'm certain you'll be behind your team and coach cause it's 2nd nature to a RL fan.

It sounds patrnising but it's so easy to get carried away after a defeat in a game you could've easily won. I'm sure if you give London a thumping the mood will change - not only on here and the terraces but in the squad itself.

I'm not sure that, 3 months ago, you expected any different to this anyway? From being written off you've been talking of your potential to rattle a few cages this season - don't dwell on the negatives just yet

You've just answered your own question, i'd give him these games to give him the chance to do his job. Before the start of the season I would have hoped us to be probably on 4 wins from the first ten games, with Wigan, Saints, Leeds & Hudds unlikely, Salford, Hull KR & Cas possibles and Bradford, Catalan & London as should wins. If Agar can get the results to keep us in touch from these fixtures the he has done his job. If we only win one or two he hasn't and maybe we will need to look and see if there is an alternative option that could push us on before it is too late. I genuinely hope he gets us the wins and all this is immaterial, but time will tell.

The point is I don’t believe with Agar Trinity will get those three/four wins (if I’m wrong I’ll be more than happy). A new coach isn’t guaranteed to get them either but at least there could be a chance they might. My view isn’t based on the two opening games of the season. It’s based on 50 odd games of seeing the same mistakes from a varying set of players, the same appalling game management from the team, the same crap last tackle plays, the same baffling tactics of playing with 16 men for 65/70 minutes of the match, the same players getting chance over chance whilst others are overlooked, the same weak defence (although this has marginally improved in the first two games).


Anyhow he’s safe (if Trinity were to lose to London his position may be reviewed) so I’ll just have to shut up and move on.

James Elston signed him up and he didn't get much right did he.

If we don't buck up we'll be relegated so lets hope we do and sharpish.

Just out of interest I wonder how many points we need for safety. I would estimate at least 16.

R.A. had a 7 match period where, through injury to Aiton, he was forced to play Andy Ellis. Andy Ellis effictively landed us with another 5 years of pergatory.