The question should be why don't we lay on longer in return, thaler allowed a long time in the tackle and we could not get off quick enough.

Collins was terrible. He didn't want to know when the bombs were coming over!

What position does he play for us.

Collis looked great going forward last night.Had the beating of his man most times.

I only watched on Sky last night but I thought one of them he went up for and one of the others he'd been caught in field after a tackle, have to have a watch again. I was more talking about his running play anyway, which I believe has been impressive in the 3 games so far.

Are you saying he got caught out of position or just didn't even attempt?

I can find no redeeming factors at all from last night.

Poor defence at marker and at kicks.
Poor halfback play
Poor teamwork
Poor tactics
Poor pack
Very poor goal kicking

Whilst I realise that we are trying to change the way we play, that is 2 games now where a JK coached side would have won - by controlling the ball much better.

Not impressed - need much better - fed up that I bought tickets for Hull yesterday, that performance deserves neither my time or my money! There, said it!

There's no way of knowing what JK would have done with this new side and it's totally pointless even going there, or are you saying 5 drives and a kick would have served us better last night .

Also thought the tactics were pretty decent in the first half and if it wasn't for a interception and a couple of individual mistakes we would have been well up. We even came out and scored straight off the bat, the problem was squarely down to discipline and players losing their heads, which had a knock on effect on the players getting out of position and costing us dearly, also the fact we hardly touched the ball for about 30 minutes meant we were knackered.
The thing that gets me angry is that we should have won our first 3 games and I reckon later on in the season we will win these kinds of games.
Still think we need a re-think of the staring 13 and some of the combinations.

It served bradford well didn't it?

I think given the funds that Mr Agar has JK would certainly have had us further forward at this stage, as you say pointless, but true !

Collis?? Not mellars? The 3 identical tries scored from kicks on his side?

Reckon they are getting confused, its Mellars side that got caught napping last night, three times.

Thought so.

Eh? Oh I get it 5 drives and kick, they have a far bigger pack than ours though.

Yes, I am saying that 5drives and a kick would have been better last night. We didn't have the ball because we kept giving it away. In the long run we may well be a better side playing a more expansive game, but you need to be patient and build a platform first. Even St Helen's can't just turn up and fling the ball about!

Apologies to Mr Collins if I have him confused with Mr Mellars.

Oh, and Kyle Wood should be both playing and kicking from what I've seen so far!