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| Quote: Adeybull "Funnily enough, the RFL concluded in the Licensing review that the Bulls were a well-run club with a clear future. But what do they know, eh?
Its hard work on here. If you have a property, and you sell it and rent it back, how does that make it a handout? Do tell us.'"
It doesn't, it's a common business practice and there is nothing wrong with what Bradford have done.
What I find difficult to swallow is the bull that is was purchased to stave off preditors/developers and to safeguard a wonderful historic stadium. You have a 150 year lease which gives you security of tenure and the only reason the RFL have bought it it that you are in the financial clag - nothing wrong with that, by God we know all about that - and the RFL have have bailed you out with what is in effect a loan. Why don't the RFL express it that way rather than the crap they have spouted.
Whether loans to some and not others is fair is of course another matter for debate.
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| Are you lot still banging on about this? Jeez, get over it.
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| Quote: slideby "Haha, I dont like the reality so therefore I decide I am correct and anybody who disagrees is the fool. The bulls did not need this to happen, unlike your club last year.
I am pleased that Wakey are in a better position and hopefully this allows you to build into a club that is important to the competition moving forward. At that point, the RFL may be more open to getting involved in helping you in the future. Obv you may need a few more fans through the gates, but a competitive team should help with that.
What part of the my post is arrogant by the way?? The last time I checked, rugby is a business, and it is clear that bradford are more important to the rugby business than wakey/cas etc. It is also clear they have a better history and fan base on which to build moving forward therefore making them a better candidate to invest alongside?'"
This part.
You have better crowds, yes, although a lot of that is to do with your current "giving away" of season tickets. Most clubs could get more ST holders and bigger crowds if they decided to run at a massive loss and give tickets away for £60. Maybe if you had sold your tickets for a more reasonable price you wouldn't need to be begging for a handout.
As for the better history and future, we'll have to agree to disagree. If we get the nod for Newmarket, Wakefield will re-emerge as one of the biggest clubs in RL, watch this space!
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| Quote: Bulls4Champs "Are you lot still banging on about this? Jeez, get over it.'"
Post something worthwhile or don't bother coming on here.
Simple enough for you?
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| It would be a black day for the sport of rugby league if a club with the size and status that Bradford currently enjoy ceased to operate.
It's been suggested elsewhere that the real reason behind the bail-out is to pay off the HMRC in connection with the image rights issue. If this is indeed the case, the Bradford club may not be the only club hit hard by this, and the RFL were right to act, even if their explanation for acting leaves a lot to be desired.
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| Anybody would think you'd been hard done to the way your carrying on, it's not anybodys fault that you went into administration. If youd have thought a bit more forward and worked out a deal before hand to avoid potential slip ups, like Bulls have then you wouldnt be feeling so envious and angry.
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| Quote: RebelRebel "It would be a black day for the sport of rugby league if a club with the size and status that Bradford currently enjoy ceased to operate.
It's been suggested elsewhere that the real reason behind the bail-out is to pay off the HMRC in connection with the image rights issue. If this is indeed the case, the Bradford club may not be the only club hit hard by this, and the RFL were right to act, even if their explanation for acting leaves a lot to be desired.'"
But will they act for other clubs hit by this? How much money have the RFL got? The Bulls chairman said the club didnt need to sell the stadium, if they hadnt the club would continue as normal and still own the lease/ground delete as apropiate at the time...so he must be lying then if they did need the money from the RFL to survive.
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| Quote: Bulls4Champs "Anybody would think you'd been hard done to the way your carrying on, it's not anybodys fault that you went into administration. If youd have thought a bit more forward and worked out a deal before hand to avoid potential slip ups, like Bulls have then you wouldnt be feeling so envious and angry.'"
The club went into adminstration because the planning for the stadium got refered to the government and stopped a payment by the developers then the then chief exec asked the RFL odsal (as it's now called) for a loan and got refused. If the RFL had offered to buy our ground we wouldnt have gone into adminstration!! hence the slightly aggrieved wakefield supporters....
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| I can understand your frustrations but let's face it the RFL have helped my team Hull FC out in the past...because like it or not we are considered a big club as we have a large fanbase (irrespective of the fact we have performed poorly since 2006). The same goes for the Bulls, when they were last successful in the mid part of the last decade they averaged 15k attendances....if they can become a competitive force once more and they attract even more fans back than they already have, then in my opinion this is a sound investment and makes good business sense.
And please don't accuse me of being another of those arrogant Hull FC fans who think they have a divine right to be at the top, I know there have been plenty of those on here!
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| Quote: Bulls4Champs "Anybody would think you'd been hard done to the way your carrying on, it's not anybodys fault that you went into administration. If youd have thought a bit more forward and worked out a deal before hand to avoid potential slip ups, like Bulls have then you wouldnt be feeling so envious and angry.'"
I agree, it was our own fault that we went into Administration and to be fair its what we deserved but let me ask you a simple question.
If the RFL had not bought the lease and effectively given you a substantial loan would you have had to go into Administration like we did ?
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| Quote: Panther "like it or not we are considered a big club as we have a large fanbase (irrespective of the fact we have performed poorly since 2006). The same goes for the Bulls'"
And this is why the RFL are corrupt, how the (guesstheword) are we supposed to stand a chance?
I'm all right Jack, who cares about Wakey and their Tin Pot ground? Why should they get special treatment? They aren't one of the RFL's special clubs, nah they can just rot and die for all we care. This sport stinks.
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| Quote: Panther "I can understand your frustrations but let's face it the RFL have helped my team Hull FC out in the past...because like it or not we are considered a big club as we have a large fanbase (irrespective of the fact we have performed poorly since 2006). The same goes for the Bulls, when they were last successful in the mid part of the last decade they averaged 15k attendances....if they can become a competitive force once more and they attract even more fans back than they already have, then in my opinion this is a sound investment and makes good business sense.
And please don't accuse me of being another of those arrogant Hull FC fans who think they have a divine right to be at the top, I know there have been plenty of those on here!'"
Well, I’m not frustrated in the slightest, I understand why the RFL are coming to Bradford’s aid, however, I still don’t see why they’ve taken the lease on?
Why not just bung ‘em some money ala Crusaders?
By becoming Bradford landlords they (The RFL) have gifted the club with a gold-plated licence having become entwined in a partnership that could last for infinity.
People constantly have a pop at Wakefield for the state of their ground, but when you look at Bradford, for all their recent past glories, where’s the investment been in Odsal?
I’ve no idea how much Bradford will be paying the RFL each year, nor who will be picking up the maintenance cost, but I’m not sure about a sound investment. Those heady days of Bullmania are now well down the track, with new kids on the block.
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| I really detest this big club arrogance.
Trinity were a big club in my younger days.
What is more they have the potential to be so again.
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| Quote: Sandal Cat "I agree, it was our own fault that we went into Administration and to be fair its what we deserved but let me ask you a simple question.
If the RFL had not bought the lease and effectively given you a substantial loan would you have had to go into Administration like we did ?'"
But we haven't been given a loan and there has been no talk of Bulls going into administration. We sold some of our assets, to ensure and secure at least some stability and future for the club. We haven't been given or handed anything by the RFL and certainly not received any preferential treatment, it was purely and simply a business deal, instigated by us and negotiated by both parties.
You and Cas need to stop feeling sorry for yourselves and stop crying.
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| The fact that NOTHING will be done angers me even more. I hope we get our new stadium, get attendances of 10,000+ and win the Challenge Cup or Super League one day, and look back and say we did it the hard way, not by being mollycoddled by the sports Governing body.
It's just becoming too farcical, you couldn't even make some of this stuff up anymore, what next? I have no idea.
To the poster above, you clearly have received preferential treatment, if you think otherwise then you are deluded my friend.
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