I just don't see a win any time soon with the attitude and commitment shown at the present time.

I would swap Arundel for Lyne in right centre with Bjb, put Bill back in left centre and Lyne on his wing.

I think the response against Castleford will tell a lot about the majority of players’ character.

A 16pt loss for us and a 16 pt win for Leeds & Hudds will put us 3rd from bottom!

Cas, Wigan & Sts will decimate the points difference advantage we have over HKR & London

" Weak at defending on the edges " I'd say this team can't defend full stop! I cringe when the opposition are attacking us. Game after game you can see it coming 6, 7, sometimes 8 tries a game over the last 10 weeks with the exception of Hudds and Leeds. They are like a sieve in defence and until they stop this alarming leaking of tries they are gonna struggle to win a game. I really fear for us if we don't beat Castleford next week, we're in trouble but heading for even deeper trouble with further maulings expected unless they sort this achilles heel out.

No. They're not. They dominated field position and possession against Leeds. If they do that against us they will post a cricket score as we cannot defend our own line.

I know negativity can be bad on these boards if the team are reading them, and by saying hes poor or hes this or that it doesn't help that players confidence.

Sometimes, however, if there are any issues, with such as team spirit and attitude, sugar coating over things and sweeping things under the carpet doesn't help anyone. Sometimes a few home truths is the best policy

Yet their halfbacks created next to nothing. Saying they are worse than us is probably pushing it to be fair but they certainly are no better. Your point about our defence is fair but they are hardly breaking any pots either. It will be the battle of two rubbish sides, whoever controls the ball the best and keeps their discipline will get the points.

That will be a cas win then based on recent evidence

Look I'll be bloody delighted if we go out there and smash them but if I was a betting man I'd be taking Castleford -10 at least.

If we play as bad as we did yesterday Cas won’t need much ball retention to beat us.

And it’s not only the men turning out to be embarrassing.