Was up there two weeks since, very full on the Saturday night.

Hull is currently UK city of culture. Totally different thing to the European Capital of Culture.

Thank you KSC. I was trying to spark a debate regarding the potential of applying and then hoping some momentum came to tart up the city, particularly it's heritage rugby league club ground in the process. sorry if I was obtuse for the hard of hearing.

I never miss a chance, even when I'm wrong, to have a dig at the whole Brexit kerfuffle. My mistake.

On the subject - Wakefield feels to me to be having something of a resurgence in terms of its cultural life; the Hepworth has attracted loads of attention whether you like it or not, the live music scene is better than it has been for a good while - although that will take a hit with the failure of the brilliant Unity project - and the bar and restaurant scene is perhaps better than ever - with a shift away from the sweaty, packed out Fri & Sat scene of my salad days, to a more rounded out, adult offering. We do especially seem to have more than our fair share of really good restaurants - which seems a bit incongruous - but I'm not complaining.

But it's still Wakey - and there are still aspects of it both socially and geographically, that drag it down; and without the decades of inward investment that Leeds has had, and with a council who seem parochial and incompetent by comparison, it will probably be ever thus. These days, when asked what's a good night out in Wakey, it's hard to come up with any other answer than "Leeds."

I'm not the retainers stereotypical idea of a brexiter. I studied it in depth and I found my decision very difficult and the way I finally voted will remain private. It was however close I can tell you but the loss of eligibility to something as ludicrously trivial as European city of culture was not an issue.

If the hard core remainers ever want the apology from the brexiters that they so clearly desire and apparently feel entitled to they will need to do better than this particular non loss to get it.

I'm just amazed Hull was awarded it.

What's up with Hull that you were amazed they got it?

I think the OP has a point, because it's my understanding that the City of Culture is not about recognising the culture but about regenerating somewhere that has lost its way but does have some culture. Hence Hull. Hence Stoke.

It's about regeneration, not culture.

Obviously you haven't been to Hull recently.

That's also my understanding. It's not about giving the haves even more, it's about raising the profile of the have nots and could haves.

People confusing the UK City of Culture and European version.

That is true. Last time I went to Hull outside of RL matters was about 7 years ago.