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Quote: Adam_Harrison9 "Tom Johnstone should be a dead cert for England's world cup squad. End of. If he played for Castleford he'd have as many if not more tries than Minikin or Eden. Unlike those two, he can break from deep and finish off himself on top of just finishing well inside the opposition's twenty.'"

Should it not be " if Wakefield Trinity played like Castleford he would have many more tries than Minikin or Eden who play for Cas"

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Quote: KevW60349 "Should it not be " if Wakefield Trinity played like Castleford he would have many more tries than Minikin or Eden who play for Cas"'"


Yes. Bang on.

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Not getting drawn into the Cas or Wakey argument. However TJ is a fantastic talent but the one thing I've noticed in the games I've watched him is his concentration. At times he's out of the game for long minutes and its then he seems to lose a bit of concentration. I suppose its natural in a young kid especially when the crowd are chanting his name. I suppose he'll eventually grow out of it but if I was CC I'd be working on it.

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The solution to me is to bring him in to the game more.
I know wingers take the ball up on kick return 1St or second but he needs running chances.
We need to play like Widnes did when Offiah played or even like Cas do now and get the ball wider as often as possible.

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Every time he gets the ball in space out wide he causes havoc...problem for us is he doesn't get enough ball...nothing against BT as he grafts and makes good metres but he can't pass! Grix found him nicely the other night with a quality cut out pass...something we need to do more whilever Bill is inside him...think he's missing Max too as going forward those two have a great understanding...you can't drop Grix though way he's playing!

Would love to see TJ given a chance in an England shirt...a lot of quality wingers around at the minute but I truly believe he's potentially the best in the game...would make a dream pairing with Percival for me!

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "Not getting drawn into the Cas or Wakey argument. However TJ is a fantastic talent but the one thing I've noticed in the games I've watched him is his concentration. At times he's out of the game for long minutes and its then he seems to lose a bit of concentration. I suppose its natural in a young kid especially when the crowd are chanting his name. I suppose he'll eventually grow out of it but if I was CC I'd be working on it.'"


Never even vaguely noticed such a thing, quite the opposite if anything. Still if you feel the need to find a non existent flaw so be it.

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Quote: upthecats "Every time he gets the ball in space out wide he causes havoc...problem for us is he doesn't get enough ball...nothing against BT as he grafts and makes good metres but he can't pass! Grix found him nicely the other night with a quality cut out pass...something we need to do more whilever Bill is inside him...think he's missing Max too as going forward those two have a great understanding...you can't drop Grix though way he's playing!

Would love to see TJ given a chance in an England shirt...a lot of quality wingers around at the minute but I truly believe he's potentially the best in the game...would make a dream pairing with Percival for me!'"


Think that's a bit unfair on Tupou. He's given TJ a few decent passes this year including one that got knocked down last week but still led to a try.

Two things to remember with our centres at the moment. One they don't get anymore space than TJ because at the moment the way we move the ball wide is to pedestrian. With that in mind and the still greasy pitches the last thing Tupou wants is to see TJ pushed out to wide and bundled into touch. Great though TJ is he doesn't want to be to close to touch at the moment, hence the game becomes compressed.

I know Cas seem to be doing it at the moment but until we are producing quick ball in the middle like they do we won't imho.

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Quote: vastman "I know Cas seem to be doing it at the moment but until we are producing quick ball in the middle like they do we won't imho.'"


Absolutely correct - they've got a much better hooker and hb combination - so the speed and quality of the build-up is what allows them to get the ball out wide; we're just not there yet.

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The sad reality is he's unlikely to reach his full potential playing for us unless we undergo a significant change in fortunes, I just hope he's here as long as possible.

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Tom is the type of player who would move to the next level in the NRL.. he might win more at another club but his game wont develop further.... but I hope he waits to be part of the new breed of Trinity Young Guns...

would love to see him, Crowther , Jowitt , Batchelor, Mazive... leading the influx of young stars we currently have in our academies. Even if its just for a couple of seasons

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This is the problem with RL over here. We put too much pressure on players, TJ is not ready for the NRL come on, let him develop and develop in defence too. Denny Solomona couldnt scratch it in the NRL, and he was the best finisher ive seen in SL era. TJ needs time, look at McGillervry at Shudds, got better and better every year, now the number 1 winger IMHO. I hate to see a young player have too much pressure on them, you only have to look at Joe Westerman, he was amazing at 16/17, different class to anyone else at that age, and Sky were calling him the next Paul Sculthorpe (ridiculas comparison) and he never lived up to the hype. TJ will get there, but it takes time

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Quote: cyclone65 "This is the problem with RL over here. We put too much pressure on players, TJ is not ready for the NRL come on, let him develop and develop in defence too. Denny Solomona couldnt scratch it in the NRL, and he was the best finisher ive seen in SL era. TJ needs time, look at McGillervry at Shudds, got better and better every year, now the number 1 winger IMHO. I hate to see a young player have too much pressure on them, you only have to look at Joe Westerman, he was amazing at 16/17, different class to anyone else at that age, and Sky were calling him the next Paul Sculthorpe (ridiculas comparison) and he never lived up to the hype. TJ will get there, but it takes time'"


I didn't say he was ready... I suggested that the NRL could take his game to a new level... whereas a move to another SL club would not... that said ... he IS ready!

he's at an age where he would be expected to be making an impression at first grade level in Australia... he is 22 this year; same age as Valentine Holmes, Jack Bird, Bevan French, Cameron Munster then one thinks of the Trbojevic brothers, Curtis Sironen who are around the same age... then the young guns at Penrith... Waqa Blake, Reagan Campbell-Gillard, Bryce Cartwright, James Fisher-Harris, Isaah Yeo, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak... all first grade regulars and all around Tom's age.. not counting the teenage sensation Nathan Cleary and the other teen monster at the roosters... Latrell Mitchell...

I think Tom has the stuff to stand amongst those as equals.

I still hope he stays a long time at Trinity

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A lot of the other SL clubs won't have the luxury of seeing what we do of TJ. The lad has it all. Speed, strength, good in the air and great feet/agility. Good yard gains in our own half. Has a good pass and boot too we see on occasion leading to assists. His defence improved massively last year and he is very consistent. When was the last bad game he had?? He has it all.

In a way I'm glad that the SL doesn't get to see all this we see regularly. He's already sought after but there's more to his game and he's probably the best player to come through wakey since Gareth Ellis.

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Quote: Khlav Kalash "He is developing into a quality winger and others are taking notice now. It just shows keeping the faith with the juniors, giving them the opportunities and not ditching then when they make mistakes is the way to go long term. Every try he scores, certainly this season, are usually never easy walk in and he work his socks off in defence and carting the ball up to give the forwards a rest.

In other words he does the graft as well as the flashy stuff.'"

Indeed. I always remember a friend of mine's Dad telling me that at some time when Neil Fox made his debut or shortly after, he must have had a suboptimal game and he shouted 'You''ll never make a footballer while you've a hole in etc etc' at him icon_smile.gifGood luck to Tom. The progress he's made is amazing

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The perfect template for Tom is Gareth Ellis.
Gareth outgrew Trin, went to Leeds, outgrew Leeds, went to the NRL, proved himself over there without question.
And is still one of the best 2nd rows at 35/36.

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