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Whats rattled your cages?

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Quote: bren2k "But we already know they won't be, since their ineptitude at running a business appears to extend to their web admin, who posted then quickly removed a story saying that the Bulls will suffer no points deduction. That suggests to me that this is all pre-planned, but the Bulls didn't follow the script of Big Nige's latest attempt to fool the RL public, whom he clearly regards to be as thick as mince. I can imagine the hasty phone call to Odsal when he spotted that particular faux-pas.

If anyone outside of RL cared a jot, this governing body would be stripped of any power and discredited for the inept crooks they are; since no one is looking however, they can do pretty much as they like without fear of censure.

The sad part is that if Bradford scrape through at the expense of another club (ourselves, Cas, Widnes etc) nobody but the fans of the wronged club will give a damn; that's what RL has come to in this country - clubs are pitted against each other on non-rugby matters such that any misfortune that befalls one club is a source of joy for the fans of many others. I haven't looked at the nutjob forum for a while, but I'm willing to bet that there is a lengthy thread taking great pleasure in our recent H&S issue for example. It's a sad state of affairs.

Meanwhile, as others have said, I won't set foot in Odsal ever again; I hate the place anyway, so it's not a difficult decision.'"



Having had a firecracker thrown at my at Wakefield last time, I'm not fond of your stadium either

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "Regardless of my sympathy for the RFL in finding themselves in a situation where they had to approve a legal mechanism that they had previously said would result in sanctions, I have already made the decision not to go to Odsal again, the decision made so much easier because it is by far the worst ground in rugby. Hate the place.

What has put the RFL in this position is those running the Bulls. I have no sympathy with them.'"


This. I wont be visiting Odsal again.

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Quote: bren2k ". I haven't looked at the nutjob forum for a while, but I'm willing to bet that there is a lengthy thread taking great pleasure in our recent H&S issue for example. It's a sad state of affairs.

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I've been over for a quick peek and I must say their grasp of the Bradford situation is quite sensible. In all fairness many are also talking about boycotting the Bulls game, good on em eusa_clap.gif

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I'm more interested in what went on prior to administration. Have they had any undue financial assistance? If so, was the RFL a creditor? Have they been able to walk away from a huge debt to the governing body that allowed them to keep a team they couldn't afford?

It's the questions about the period in the close season that require answers, not the technicality of administration, because let's face it, the team they have been allowed to keep and build on would be safe even with a points deduction. The points deduction issue is a bit of a sideshow in reality.

I know the Bulls fans go on about losing Bateman, but given his supposed potential, he would have gone anyway. They have added to their squad with players other clubs couldn't afford, and seemingly they couldn't afford either.

I see that Moore has stated that he misunderstood the situation, hence his statement that there would be no points deduction. There is a due process to follow. Moore's statement has really put the cat amongst the pigeons, because if the RFL don't want to deduct points, the due process is a sham, just window dressing. The RFL might need to impose a deduction to protect their own standing now.

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Usually go to all games I can but don't think I will go to Bradford will feel bad about not supporting the team but if Bradford escape this without any penalties then it will leave a very bitter taste after all we were told if you go into admin you go out of super league. The new owners must have deep pockets if no players are to be sold I know they have made cuts to the backroom staff but I wouldn't have thought any big earners have gone x

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "I'm more interested in what went on prior to administration. Have they had any undue financial assistance? If so, was the RFL a creditor?.'"


Well they did sign another forward (Mexico) very recently, why would they do that if they knew they could not afford it ?

Also here is another clue. Should they get relegated or fold altogether, how will the RFL get paid rent at their Iconic Stadium ?

Its in the RFL's financial interest that they remain in SL and continue to receive the appropriate funding otherwise how do the RFL collect their rental monies.

Come on Slugger a man of your calibre should have worked it all out icon_wink.gif

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Quote: jack in the box "Well they did sign another forward (Mexico) very recently, why would they do that if they knew they could not afford it ?

Also here is another clue. Should they get relegated or fold altogether, how will the RFL get paid rent at their Iconic Stadium ?

Its in the RFL's financial interest that they remain in SL and continue to receive the appropriate funding otherwise how do the RFL collect their rental monies.

Come on Slugger a man of your calibre should have worked it all out
My view is that the RFL make decisions that they believe to be the least worst option available, but there is then a knock-on effect when they have to make another decision. I don't believe we can be too critical of the RFL for trying to stop Odsal from being sold under them, trying to protect a club, and also for trying to keep a club in existence. I can accept that they have done it for the right reasons.

What is the issue is whether they would have done the same for us (no, is the answer) and whether it creates an uneven playing field on the playing field (yes, is the answer).

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "My view is that the RFL make decisions that they believe to be the least worst option available, but there is then a knock-on effect when they have to make another decision. I don't believe we can be too critical of the RFL for trying to stop Odsal from being sold under them, trying to protect a club, and also for trying to keep a club in existence. I can accept that they have done it for the right reasons.

What is the issue is whether they would have done the same for us (no, is the answer) and whether it creates an uneven playing field on the playing field (yes, is the answer).'"

odsal should of been sold, its not a modern stadia as is Belle Vue and is pulling them down the pan as well.


how much more money do clubs need to waste in repairing the unrepairable, there's only so much polishing to a turd before it smudges and looks a mess

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "My view is that the RFL make decisions that they believe to be the least worst option available, but there is then a knock-on effect when they have to make another decision. I don't believe we can be too critical of the RFL for trying to stop Odsal from being sold under them, trying to protect a club, and also for trying to keep a club in existence. I can accept that they have done it for the right reasons.

What is the issue is whether they would have done the same for us (no, is the answer) and whether it creates an uneven playing field on the playing field (yes, is the answer).'"



That's the point it never was. It was just a pack of lies made up to give the RFL a good reason to bail them out.

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Quote: jack in the box "That's the point it never was. It was just a pack of lies made up to give the RFL a good reason to bail them out.'"


Correct. All the garbage about buying the lease to project from predatory developers was a load of bull. Bradford had a secure lease on Odsal and it could not have been sold from underneath them.

I have no complaints about the situation we find ourselves in having to sell players because the mess was of our own doing and we can't moan about selling players. But what brasses me and I'm sure the rest of you is that Bradford have got themselves in the same mess and they are allowed to go into Administration and start up again with no loss of players.

Of course they are going to "work with creditors". It'll be interesting to see how many creditors are paid in full and I bet Omar Kahn is not banking on getting any of his money back.

Bradford should be treated how we were going to be treated when Andrew Glover proposed another Administration which was relegation to the Championship but of course the RFL would struggle to have the rent on Odsal paid then. A 4 or 6 point deduction is no punishment at all when you have been able to keep your squad pretty much intact - a good squad at that as well.

I will not be going to Odsal and I can understand fans saying that they are walking away from the game because at the moment that's pretty much how I'm feeling at the moment. All I want to see in this game is fairness and every Club treated the same.

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Maybe the reason why no players have been sold is that the RFL have bought them and are loaning them back to the Bulls!!

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "I know the Bulls fans go on about losing Bateman, but given his supposed potential, he would have gone anyway. They have added to their squad with players other clubs couldn't afford, and seemingly they couldn't afford either.

'"

I find 2 players leaving Bradford different to other club situations when finance is at the core of the problem.
Just before Bradford went public on the appeal for fairly immediate public help they gave Elliott Whitehead a 5 yrs contract.He was later sold to Catalan Dragons - but this was after he requested a transfer.
The same applied with Bateman - rlStoryrl
He had been given a contract after they came out of that administration - rlHererl
When Wakefield,Salford and London have sold players there is no record of them requesting transfers.
Seemingly,while the RFL are monitoring Bradford they,the Bulls,can not only sell Bateman while an individual who stood down after the fit and proper person test disqualified him a week or two after he was appointed owner,Whitcut,was in charge,but what is owed to HMRC,and another,is apparently overlooked resulting in the 3 directors,who walked away in December,as they couldn't get the shares,return and after administration,take over again.

* Sorry it is all written in gobbledegook - I shall blame it on tiredness and confusion *

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Quote: FickleFingerOfFate "Maybe the reason why no players have been sold is that the RFL have bought them and are loaning them back to the Bulls!!'"

Ya know I wouldn't put it past them after all 'an iconic team in an iconic stadium' must be protected

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Maybe it's the RFL's new way of trying to expand the game.
They have bought Odsal, they buy the players.
They only need a plan to make Odsal into a hovercraft type thing to make it mobile and voila.
Roll up, roll up, the RFL Rugby League Circus coming to a town near you soon!

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