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| Quote: Jack the Beagle "And what on earth happens to the next club that goes into admin if Bulls are given points back eventually?
Also does the whole world of pro. rugby league go on 'standby' as this drags on and on?
Boot 'em out.'"
The arrogance of the Bulls is such that they think the game can't survive without them.
I agree boot them out or send the to the bottom of the pile.
The Scots had no problem doing this to Rangers and they are massive in comparison.
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| Quote: Sandal Cat "All Marc Green is doing in my opinion is keeping the option open of a High Court action. As weeks go by he will review his position and if the situation is such that 6 points back will make no difference to them he will simply withdraw the action. If at the end of the season the points deduction have made a difference he will pursue the case.
It's simple if we win a few more games it all becomes irrelevant.'"
It's just bravado from Green who knows the Bulls won't get within 6 points of us or another team. He'll wait 4-6 weeks by which the league will confirm Bradford's relegation and also that they can't get within the 6 deducted points. Then Green will discontinue the case but in doing so has sent a message to the RFL that he isn't afraid to take them on.
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| I'm sick to death of Bradford Bulls. Just get rid of them.
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| Quote: PopTart "We should be trying to hide in the group about with Hull and Hull KR. Let the relegation talk about others and forget our name.
Might not be 8th but that mid table obscurity looks appealing to me.'"
You've missed Salford out there, everyone seems to ignore the fact that Salford are in the dogfight.
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| As someone from the outside looking in my thoughts are that the Bulls have every right to seek action in the high court if correct procedures have not been followed. It may not suit the rest of us but they have rights under law.
In previous seasons where points have been deducted there has been no relegation so the worst that could happen is you miss out on the top eight. Do you really think other clubs would have just meekly accepted points deductions if there was a chance they may get relegated, I don't.
The other issue here is the Sky money, the rest of Super League was happy to take the Bulls cut and effectively put them points in arrears even before the season started. So before the points deduction they were not on a level playing field to every other team, remember it was the Bulls previous (discredited) board that accepted that scenario, not the new board and owners.
The easiest way out for everybody is to put back the structural changes by one season. A lot of people were against the changes anyway and it was pretty much forced through by the RFL, and only by some clubs refusing to vote (the reasons for that are very murky and have never been disclosed).
The whole thing is a mess and I put a massive part of that blame at the RFL's door. Everyone says they are not fit to run the game, especially some club owners so why is everyone quick to defend them.
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| Quote: The Avenger "in my opinion, The Bulls are no longer chasing the six points back. What they're doing now is trying to manufacture a situation whereby its impossible for the RFL to relegate them. They are trying to manipulate the decision for the SL to reduce to 12 clubs into a decision for it to reduce to 13 clubs with another club relegated next year taking us to the 12 club SL the Chairmen want.
That in turn will push the 12 & three 8s format back another year, thereby curtailing the ambitions of the Championship clubs for that extra year.
Nothing else about this decision would make any sense to me.'"
My thoughts exactly Avenger. It wouldn't surprise me for the authorities to turn round and delay the new structure for a year. Who does this Green think he his? He inherits a debt free club that pays cut price rent then on top of that expects to dismiss the 6 points punishment, if it wasn't for the administration he wouldn't have a debt free club. Has he even raised the playing budget to pre administration levels? Surely that's the first thing he should of done to try and have it settled on the field. Why did he not make any attempt to pay any creditors off (except himself of course)? He could of had some points back by doing that. The guy wants to have his cake and eat it. Fortunately it's looking more likely as the games tick down the Bull players haven't got the stomach for the fight. I'll be surprised if they are anyway near 6 points of the rest. Hopefully the RFL will grow a pair and stand there ground and Bradford will vanishing into the oblivion....Good Riddance!
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| Quote: Trinity Till Death "It's just bravado from Green who knows the Bulls won't get within 6 points of us or another team. He'll wait 4-6 weeks by which the league will confirm Bradford's relegation and also that they can't get within the 6 deducted points. Then Green will discontinue the case but in doing so has sent a message to the RFL that he isn't afraid to take them on.'"
At the same time look like the biggest Delbert in the game. I'll be the first to laugh in his arrogant face!
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| Quote: el red "As someone from the outside looking in my thoughts are that the Bulls have every right to seek action in the high court if correct procedures have not been followed. It may not suit the rest of us but they have rights under law.
In previous seasons where points have been deducted there has been no relegation so the worst that could happen is you miss out on the top eight. Do you really think other clubs would have just meekly accepted points deductions if there was a chance they may get relegated, I don't.
The other issue here is the Sky money, the rest of Super League was happy to take the Bulls cut and effectively put them points in arrears even before the season started. So before the points deduction they were not on a level playing field to every other team, remember it was the Bulls previous (discredited) board that accepted that scenario, not the new board and owners.
The easiest way out for everybody is to put back the structural changes by one season. A lot of people were against the changes anyway and it was pretty much forced through by the RFL, and only by some clubs refusing to vote (the reasons for that are very murky and have never been disclosed).
The whole thing is a mess and I put a massive part of that blame at the RFL's door. Everyone says they are not fit to run the game, especially some club owners so why is everyone quick to defend them.'"
You seem to have a lot of thoughts on things on various boards.
Sometimes even contradicting yourself.
I think you're looking from the outside somewhere near Bradford on this one.
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| Quote: el red "As someone from the outside looking in my thoughts are that the Bulls have every right to seek action in the high court if correct procedures have not been followed. It may not suit the rest of us but they have rights under law.
In previous seasons where points have been deducted there has been no relegation so the worst that could happen is you miss out on the top eight. Do you really think other clubs would have just meekly accepted points deductions if there was a chance they may get relegated, I don't.
The other issue here is the Sky money, the rest of Super League was happy to take the Bulls cut and effectively put them points in arrears even before the season started. So before the points deduction they were not on a level playing field to every other team, remember it was the Bulls previous (discredited) board that accepted that scenario, not the new board and owners.
The easiest way out for everybody is to put back the structural changes by one season. A lot of people were against the changes anyway and it was pretty much forced through by the RFL, and only by some clubs refusing to vote (the reasons for that are very murky and have never been disclosed).
The whole thing is a mess and I put a massive part of that blame at the RFL's door. Everyone says they are not fit to run the game, especially some club owners so why is everyone quick to defend them.'"
You say that putting the new structures back by 1 season is "the easiest way out" but it would certainly put the brakes on for the likes of Fev, Halifax etc.
By going into admin they will certainly have expected a points deduction and as many people have said (especially on this forum), they had a choice.
Either protect an overpaid squad (with all the associated risks) or, cut costs heavily (again with the associated risks)
With regard to what the previous board accepted.
The clear fact is that rightly or wrongly they did accept the previous sanctions and the new owner came in clearly knowing what the possibilities were.
If he didn't know, he has certainly received some poor advice.
It's time to move on and in Salford's or Wakefield's position, be very grateful that it was Bradford and not ourselves that went pop.
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| as I've said before there's another twist in the tale
even if the high court changes the decision does this give them the right to force the RFL to give the Bulls back the points
it sickens me to see this great game of ours turn into a laughing stock they should be ashamed of what they are doing
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| Quote: el red "
The other issue here is the Sky money, the rest of Super League was happy to take the Bulls cut and effectively put them points in arrears even before the season started. So before the points deduction they were not on a level playing field to every other team, remember it was the Bulls previous (discredited) board that accepted that scenario, not the new board and owners.'"
The points deduction was for the second administration while the halving of the sky money was for the first administration.
These were two separate insolvency events
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| Could have trimmed the squad and lived within their means. Instead ploughed on regardless.
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| Think Mr green has his own personal agenda and it revolves around money.
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| Quote: "Phil Wilkinson @PWilkinsonWIG
Bulls sack Cummins and now drag their points appeal on, by taking fight to high-court. Wakefield are now my second team.'"
Phil Wilkinson sports editor of wigan observer, saying what he thinks of the Bulls...
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| Bradford talk a lot about the guy in admin not being same guy as being punished but at the end of the day it's same ground, same team, same shirts, same fans.
It's the same......
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