I surrender!!!

Just come on this thread, so apologies if this has already been said, as I have not got time to go through all the posts relating to it. Richard Owen to be fair is more than a decent player. When he's played this year he's done well. The problem is not that he's not good enough, but that he is on far too much money and the club have been keen to get him off the payroll. Without going into detail, basically his agent sucker punched Cas and he ended up with a 4 year lucrative contract. I don't know the details of his Wakey contract, but there is no way they will be paying anything like what he was on, so I would imagine we will be paying some of it. I have heard that if Wakey stay up this year he will be permanent and in the event they were relegated (they won't be) he comes back to us.

He looked really promising a few years back, but had a terrible injury that knocked him back and he also had a couple of off field misdemeanours which he now appears to have learnt from. As I say he was not good enough for what he was on, but is definitely a more than useful player. If he could get back to anything like the promise he showed before his injury, you could well end up with a good signing.

What will he do if we both go down?

Avenger, some people will say I am a pessimist, but not even I believe we will go down this year, unless Bradford sign the likes of Cronk, Inglis, Slater, Cameron Smith, Thurston etc. Neither will Wakey for that matter.

After todays performances we look more relegation fodder than Bradford do at least they put effort into the game.

Is this not the main problem?
Agar is relying on Bradford being so poor that he can tread water at Wakefield and still "suceed" by keeping Wakefield up.
That may be OK for die hard, pre-paid season ticket holders but how many others will stop coming?

Can't agree. They put in the same early 15 mins of effort we did.

Sorry mate, crap though we were we were not that bad. In the second half the Bulls only ventured into Hudds half four times or there about. It was only Hudds faffing about that stopped a massacre.

I don't like Agar or this team much but we were not as bad as Bradford - at least Cas had to break sweat (just)

I think you'll see a far better Bradford when we meet them in a fortnight. What worries me is what type of Wakefield we will turn out, because I will disagree with you here Vasty and unless we change things around I only see a loss.

Different issue Jack.

Two weeks time is speculation (though probably correct).

What happened yesterday is fact and IMHO Bradford were even worse than us. Much as we dislike Agar and his current line up I don't see any need to manufacture an even worse scenario than we already have.

Bradford were absolutely dreadful as opposed to just rank poor - it's all relative and semantics I know but it's what happened. That Bradford team are utterly beatable and even a full strength Bradford is a possible win so I'm not giving Agar any excuses at all - we must be up for this cup final of a game.

I can only see a Bradford win with current attitudes and selections.

I think Bradford issue yesterday was, bar Sidlow, a lack of available props. Add in Fakir, Manukafoa & Kaufusi into that team and it looks a lot stronger and they would have been able to compete longer. They are also supposedly in the market to bring bring over a couple of guys from australia. I think we'll see a different bulls team when we run out at odsal. We need to be bang on our game for that one.

Addy will, once again, run the show against us regardless of who the other 12 are on the pitch.

Think they have an agreement with Rfl not to sign anymore oversees players until next season. Fakir has been poor in the short time at odsal.

We all have injuries to contend with, add in Tautai, Lauitiiti and a fully fit Kirmond and we look better

It's exactly the kind of game I dread because so often we are absolutely rank in them