Did he say that? Top 8? Surprised at that - whilst I think that is probably realistic it's hardly a ringing endorsement of the team from him, certainly not challenging them to overachieve is it. Unless he's trying to take the pressure off?. It's only 2/3 years ago we finished in the top 5 isn't it?

A good quality 9 and plenty of practice on the last play kicks in oppo 10/20 is the answer imo. The distribution is far too laboured in getting to first receiver. We have two of the tallest wingers in the league yet rarely do we put a ball out to the corner in the danger zone.

stand by my original statement PT, but with the caveat of possibly a two or three season's respite.

2017 - and we've gone backwards ever since

What would you be saying if he'd said win the comp/make the GF./make the top 4???

Can't win.

Yeah but all their practice time is taken up practicing driving the ball up

From a slow start we got into the arm wrestle and with a bit of luck and a rub of the green we’d have come away with the points .Plenty of things that I saw today fill me with hope for the season, regroup , learn from mistakes and give Wigan hell on thur .

I am one of the biggest critics but today I could not fault the effort and skill of the team. They were head and shoulders better than what we have played for the majority of last season. We are not the completed article but we are starting from a more solid performance.than the last two seasons.
I thought our fitness levels were better.
I am sorry but once Wood is fit then Crowther should be our third choice hooker. I know that will upset some but he is not a number 9 currently.

Yes that angered me too, statements like that just puts me off

Really disappointed watch the match late last night after work. Can’t believe we let that game go, seems our edge defence is still lacking. As soon as Leeds got there noses in front I just knew we wouldn’t come back. If it wasn’t for 2 Exceptional Johnstone tries we’d of been way off. Leeds had more intensity in defence. We can’t keep doing a Hail Mary to the left edge and hoping tupou or Johnstone produce the goods we need more consistency through other areas. I am just disappointed as we should of been away by half time and just let the game go

The stats tell some interesting stories

I didn't think Fifita was that effective by his own standards but he made 29 tackles without missing one and made 12 carries for an average of 8 metres which is the most of all the forwards.

Crowther made 34 tackles missing 1 but only made 1 run with the ball. Which was a significant one.

Ashurst made 42 tackles and missed none.

All the forwards apart from Fifita made 6 metres average gain or less which is low and tells you how hard we found the roll forward in the pack against Leeds rush defense.

But the most telling stat is errors = 17.
3 times we had the ball stolen and at least once gave penalty away when we had the ball.
That made the difference in possession and by effect our opportunities to score.

Stats are a funny thing .How many of those tackles were first man in

Right edge defence more than left. Maybe it’s because most teams potent attacking is on their left and our right but we leaked a lot on the right edge last season and yesterday we continually got targeted down the right. We just don’t seem to number up right on the right edge and leave the cut out option or an overlap. It happens on the left but more so the right. There’s also some good things. The passing for Seniors try was top draw on the right.

Quite a lot regarding Jordan, look at points conceded when jordan and joe aren’t on the field.

Where can you see these stats?