FWIW I’ve given this a lot of thought. Let me say straight away that the majority of it is pure speculation so no need to argue with me because I’m not suggesting I’m in any way certain.

First You need to look at Dave for what he is. A larger than life person, a maverick, unorthodox and emotional.

His history as a player confirms this, he was always a gamble, this bit I’m certain of. We’ve been hugely lucky with this player, we have imho had the two best seasons that I feel he has to offer as a player. I’m happy with that to be honest.

A fair few sportsman are not what most people would call stable. We all know of Dave’s off field issues, he lives like he plays, on the edge. That’s what makes him what he is.

I like him or at least I think I do but it doesn’t take much imagination to realise that he is probably a very difficult player to manage. He has a strong personality, a lot of players don’t. Due to this I always suspected it might end this way.

Personally I think Dave is making a huge error, he is a big fish at Wakefield and much loved but he probably no longer feels the same. At 31 and not the fittest I seriously doubt he will find the same status elsewhere. But I’m not him, I don’t take big risks and I’m not able to just glide through life, so if it’s what he wants who am I to complain.

Fifita as I say is a huge character, one who I suspect dominates the team both in humour and opinions. However that team is getting older and is perhaps less willing to go along with him. Just human nature, we all assume Dave is a laugh but maybe the jokes gone stale to some. This bit I must add is pure speculation.

We knew what we were getting with this lad and luckily it’s worked out well for the most part, now is the time to move on I suspect. I think we’ve seen his last performance in a Trinity shirt, I don’t see how the club can really allow him back.

We need to let him go ASAP, before what was once a very positive presence becomes an incredibly negative one. A fee would be nice but considering his attitude I can’t see many teams willing to go that far. His pay reduction will help all the same.

Also on a more mercenary note this season is dead, the only players to whom it has any meaning are the youngsters and those trying to cement a place. Realistically Fifita has nothing to motivate him until next season now and a player like him needs motivation! With the best will in the world he won’t be fit and on form until May time imho as it will be the best part of two years since he played anything like well. That’s a long break and takes him to 32. That’s a big ask for a player who’s hardly in the Gareth Ellis mould of self discipline.

So, to see TJ go will be an utter tragedy to me, I get it but it will sting. Where Dave is concerned, it’s more thanks for the memories whilst they are still mostly good ones. I wish him well in whatever he does and he will do well in his own unique way, he’s that kind of bloke.

Hard to argue with any of that, Vasty

Good sensible post Vasty - I totally agree that he was a gamble as a signing and he far outweighed my negative expectations as I thought he'd be a liability having watched him in the NRL...tho admittedly not for many games immediately before we signed him as it seemed Sharks had decided to use him as a last resort option. He was so much better playing for us and deserved the love & respect the fans gave him.

However, he now appears to be heading the same way with us as he did the Sharks, he's not quite at the last resort stage yet but I doubt it will take long for him to get there, which is a tough pill to swallow and probably the reason most of the posts on this thread are saying thanks for the memories, time to go.

I don't know Fifita's reasons for the GPS issue and unless he explains them we may never know.

Fifita said he loved it at the club and he socialised a lot with people like Miller in his spare time. Maybe Miller can talk him round? Dave can knock on Carter's door, say sorry, apologise to the team and we can go back to as we were. Happy days.

Good post Vasty. He’s been great no doubt about it. Myself I’m annoyed he’s put himself and the club in this position. It’s likely this is the end for him but you never know.

Players like him always likely to come and go. They’re the custodians of the jersey for me, if they don’t want to wear it anymore then time to say goodbye.

Looks like I'm going to have to change my avatar

I've enjoyed watching him and at his best or even 80% he is one of the best prop we've ever had, certainly in Super League.

But he isn't performing at 80% now and he needs to be working to get that back rather than disrupting the team with indiscipline.

I'm definitely in the thanks for the memories camp. If he could turn it around then great but I'm thinking it's gone too far.

Catalan wanted him. I'd be happy to swap for Drinkwater or even their fullback who's really a half back.

Looking at Catalan I’m struggling to see where he fits tbh, don’t know where that rumour came from? I think because we played them twice and it’s a bit warmer there people have put 2+2 together and got 673.

More likely destination would be somewhere like HKR for my money.

Believe he had himself a bit of holiday over there during lockdown which started that rumour, previously it was always Warrington the rumoured destination.

It has been a very solid stance by the club.

I have though heard something else today, which is rather worrying, that someone in a management capacity within the club have also breached COVID protocols,and that we actually have a COVID19 officer within the club, who is married to someone within management level at the club.

Whether true or not, I don't know, but this has not come from a local eating establishment, but by someone who I know from my time at the club, and is still working in the sport.

Failed to mention that in their statement.

Transparency...

Failed to mention what exactly? Hearsay?

Could be, who knows.

Just think that there could well be more to this than meets the eye. Yes, Fifita is wrong, but it could be that those in a higher position are far from innocent in all of this.

I have heard so much underhand stuff happening behind closed doors recently, from so many, who were involved with the club longer than I was, that connects to one person, there comes a time when you start building up a picture of a person, that makes you wonder how genuine someone really is

That would be nice, but I doubt either would be willing to come to Wakefield. It would have to be fringe players.