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| Quote: TURFEDOUT "Quote: TURFEDOUT "Quote: TURFEDOUT "Quote: TURFEDOUT "Dissapointed to read the comments from TR in the League Express, TR should be reminded that he is very fortunate that WMDC are allowing any financial aid to the proposed development at Newmarket having previously purchased Belle Vue from the club and subsequently selling it back to TR for a nominal amount.
TR should be more concerned in concentrating on the problems that have beset the Wildcats for decades, lack of investment at Belle Vue been at the top of the list, By my reckoning there have been a minimum of four proposals for a new stadium in the last 20 years none of which came to fruition but rather became industrial units. And Ironically it is the Industrial side that is pushing the development at Newmarket not a stadium as they would have us all believe.'"
You failed to mention why it was sold back for a nominal amount.'"
WMDC having previously purchased Belle Vue, one would suggest that that money was spent by the club, it is certain that the money recieved at that time was not spent on any refurbishment at Belle Vue. Allowing the Club to re purchase Belle Vue for a nominal amount has since allowed the Wildcats to sell the Belle Vue site for a rather substantial amount well above the amount paid to WMDC. Part of that money has already been spent. In total taking into account the level of investment promised by WMDC for the Newmarket development no supporter could ever be critical of WMDC in terms of supporting the Wildcats financially.'"
Your statement makes it clear you have little idea of why WMDC "purchased" Belle Vue.'"
Why WMDC purchased the site is irrelevant, the fact is they did, and having allowed the re purchase for a minimal amount and then the subsequent sale to a developer, the fact remains the club has gained rather substantially. I would suggest that no money has ever been spent on Belle Vue although the club has recieved substantial sums for it. Meanwhile we the fans have been promised stadium after stadium which have never materialised, but like most people I have witnessed those sites been developed into industrial units. Why should I expect anything different from the Newmarket proposal, history proves that it is most likely industrial units we will see at Newmarket not a stadium. Call me a sceptic if you like but we have seen and heard all this before. |
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| Quote: gizmo "Quote: gizmo "Quote: gizmo "Quote: gizmo "Quote: gizmo "Dissapointed to read the comments from TR in the League Express, TR should be reminded that he is very fortunate that WMDC are allowing any financial aid to the proposed development at Newmarket having previously purchased Belle Vue from the club and subsequently selling it back to TR for a nominal amount.
TR should be more concerned in concentrating on the problems that have beset the Wildcats for decades, lack of investment at Belle Vue been at the top of the list, By my reckoning there have been a minimum of four proposals for a new stadium in the last 20 years none of which came to fruition but rather became industrial units. And Ironically it is the Industrial side that is pushing the development at Newmarket not a stadium as they would have us all believe.'"
You failed to mention why it was sold back for a nominal amount.'"
WMDC having previously purchased Belle Vue, one would suggest that that money was spent by the club, it is certain that the money recieved at that time was not spent on any refurbishment at Belle Vue. Allowing the Club to re purchase Belle Vue for a nominal amount has since allowed the Wildcats to sell the Belle Vue site for a rather substantial amount well above the amount paid to WMDC. Part of that money has already been spent. In total taking into account the level of investment promised by WMDC for the Newmarket development no supporter could ever be critical of WMDC in terms of supporting the Wildcats financially.'"
Your statement makes it clear you have little idea of why WMDC "purchased" Belle Vue.'"
Why WMDC purchased the site is irrelevant, the fact is they did, and having allowed the re purchase for a minimal amount and then the subsequent sale to a developer, the fact remains the club has gained rather substantially. I would suggest that no money has ever been spent on Belle Vue although the club has recieved substantial sums for it. Meanwhile we the fans have been promised stadium after stadium which have never materialised, but like most people I have witnessed those sites been developed into industrial units. Why should I expect anything different from the Newmarket proposal, history proves that it is most likely industrial units we will see at Newmarket not a stadium. Call me a sceptic if you like but we have seen and heard all this before.'"
Irrelevant?No,not really.
If you cared to find out why,you would then realise how ridiculous your previous comments are.
No money ever spent on Belle Vue?
I can only presume that you must have a different understanding of the word "no" compared to the rest of the world.
How much do you think it costs each year just to get a decrepid old ground like Belle Vue up to the minimum standard for a safety certiifcate??
I presume in your world -- nothing!!! |
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| Wakefield paid full-whack for the ground - more than what they sold it for anyway - that was the deal! As it was, WMDC were a creditor in the CVA, therefore they did not recieve the full amount as due under the terms of the contract.
Re. TP - I did say that WTW did NOT ask WMDC to fund the stadium - WMDC took that decision on themselves and assured us that the funding was 'ring-fenced' (I think much of the £20m or so they thought it was going to cost was to come from the sale of Leeds-Bradford Airport - as it is, that money has gone into the Hepworth - with few complaints, unlike if Trinity had been the beneficiaries!  ). TP was never meant to involve an external developer, and yes, we did pass the responsibility to WMDC, but only based on the assurances on intent and funding.
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| Quote: TRB "Wakefield paid full-whack for the ground - more than what they sold it for anyway - that was the deal! As it was, WMDC were a creditor in the CVA, therefore they did not recieve the full amount as due under the terms of the contract.
Re. TP - I did say that WTW did NOT ask WMDC to fund the stadium - WMDC took that decision on themselves and assured us that the funding was 'ring-fenced' (I think much of the £20m or so they thought it was going to cost was to come from the sale of Leeds-Bradford Airport - as it is, that money has gone into the Hepworth - with few complaints, unlike if Trinity had been the beneficiaries! ![]()
I like the way you just skim over the passing of responsibility, when that is one of the Key issues here, from what you say you had your destiny in your own hands and gave it away. How can you complain?
With regard the Hepworth why not invest in something that has been under invested in Something that not only serves the people of the City but also visitors from outside the city. If we want to be seen on a par with other cities then these are the sorts of things we need and perhaps people out side of rugby league cans see this.
Add to that the fact that their are Two other teams in the district it was always going to be a long shot that the council would invest £20 mil for the good of one and not the others.
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but what exactly was our alternative plan to the Thornes Park option? And why was it not possible to explore both options simultaneously?
Back to Ted, I think it was petty and unneccesary to mention Cas - perhaps he should concentrate on coming up with a Plan B for our own club. All the accusations he levels at Cas ("big talk", no action, missed deadlines, etc.) could just as easily be thrown back at us. Perhaps he's hoping to deflect from the catastrophic decision to sell Belle Vue, the clubs place of business and major asset, without securing an alternative venue first. I would have thought that was a decision the clubs owners should have been a party to.
I do not believe there is anyone at the club with the talents to deliver a project of this magnitude. Maybe it is Super League or nothing for the Richardsons - the gravy train for family and friends probably won't be economically viable in the Championship.
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| Quote: RDM "Quote: RDM " I have absolutely no time for Ted Richardson, we are in the mess we are in principally due to bad decisions made by him and his hangers on. If this club goes to the wall, he will be one of the main reasons. I was disappointed but not suprised to hear of his comments in the press. All it does is make us look desperate and reinforces the view that we know we are struggling. As I said on another thread whatever any one thinks about Dicky Wright, it will be some achievement if they manage to get the stadium built with very little public money going in.
If he wanted to criticise anybody were up against for a licence then it should have been the Welsh team, cos at least his comments may have had a small degree of relevance in terms of us needing to be treated fairly. I know it wouldn't make any difference in the outcome, but at least nobody could have argued about it.'"
Exactly which decisions of Ted's do you think are putting the club on the brink?
The worst decision the board made in recent years was to allow Pearman to get involved with the club, and even then the only reason things went pear shaped is because he committed the club to deals that he didn't actually have the authority to enter into on behalf of the club. It's because of Ted's significant efforts with the bank and guarantees he put in place to support the club's financing that we did not fold then.
He stood up for the club when we were first promoted to SL but without the share of Sky money that others were getting and without the need to take RFL £m handouts that the merged clubs that are still in SL received (Hudds & Hull).
NONE of the issues about proposals for a new ground (be it Thornes Park or Newmarket) are down to Ted. WMDC on the other hand led us down the garden path on TP & caused plenty of delays in the planning process for Newmarket leading us to a position where the proposal was only called in last week when potentially it could have been a few months ago if there hadn't been the various delays.
Ted has never claimed to have the riches of Roman Abramovich to plough into the club to build the best squad and there's little point in significantly developing BV when the ground was sold a few years ago and we were always going to be moving out.
Ted's comments may not be the wisest to have been made in the public domain (no matter how true they are) but to suggest that he should shoulder the blame if the club lost its franchise & (God forbid) went to the wall is more ridiculous than me suggesting that Wigan are actually the club most at risk of losing their franchise!!! (they aren't but you get the point)
Whatever the future holds for WT when somebody comes in to take over the reins from Ted, he will go with my thanks for doing his utmost to see the club being as successful as possible.
If you think you could do better then get yourself on the phone to James Elston and make an offer to buy the club, otherwise keep your comments to things you actually know about (and for the record my comments are based on first hand knowledge of the facts from dealing with the club on a business level).'"
unpaid tax bills, unpaid players, iva, cva. block of flats fiasco, denby dale, thornes, ossett, newmarket. starving the club of investment. players being sold, westwood, pitts,ellis, atkins, brough. thats just a few things teds done successfully off the top of my head but ilthink of some more. are you a family member,  |
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I like the way you just skim over the passing of responsibility, when that is one of the Key issues here, from what you say you had your destiny in your own hands and gave it away. How can you complain?
With regard the Hepworth why not invest in something that has been under invested in Something that not only serves the people of the City but also visitors from outside the city. If we want to be seen on a par with other cities then these are the sorts of things we need and perhaps people out side of rugby league cans see this.
Add to that the fact that their are Two other teams in the district it was always going to be a long shot that the council would invest £20 mil for the good of one and not the others.'"
I don't think Trinity went along with Thornes Park in the hope that it would be funded by the council, but on the promise that it would be. The two positions are entirely different, and it would have been madness for the club to have said, "no, you can keep your twenty million, we're spend our own, thank you".
And the council wasn't being entirely altruistic, as it suited them to be seen to be providing sports facilities in a city that was near the bottom of the league nationwide in such things. It had little to do with rugby. |
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That stadium looks pants compared to ours. I would rather wait a few month and get our great new stadium passed. Jungle looks better than that !
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[quote="EmmaMur01"]I hope they get relegated. Their fans are idiots.[/quote]
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honest to god your like a big and not very bright child.
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| Quote: newgroundb4cas "That stadium looks pants compared to ours. I would rather wait a few month and get our great new stadium passed. Jungle looks better than that !'"
Bitter much?  |
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| Quote: newgroundb4cas "That stadium looks pants compared to ours. I would rather wait a few month and get our great new stadium passed. Jungle looks better than that !'"
Oh I don't know I think it beats belle vue hands down  |
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| Quote: newgroundb4cas "That stadium looks pants compared to ours. I would rather wait a few month and get our great new stadium passed. Jungle looks better than that !'"
 Ours probably will be built. Your's probably will not.  |
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[quote="EmmaMur01"]I hope they get relegated. Their fans are idiots.[/quote]
[quote="vastman"]
honest to god your like a big and not very bright child.
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You are a sprawling urban metropolis that was once one of
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| Quote: bigalf "Quote: bigalf "That stadium looks pants compared to ours. I would rather wait a few month and get our great new stadium passed. Jungle looks better than that !'"
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Really? You should have mentioned it sooner.
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IA 
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