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| It's ok worrying about the long term youth development but when it comes to it, the fans want to see a winning or at least competing team.
Kear could give us that.
No one would have saved Webster if he'd had a really good youth policy but still lost all the games.
I am an advocate of the youth at Wakefield and would love to see a team that we have developed ourselves, but that takes money, and right now, we need that money in the first team squad.
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| Quote: PopTart "It's ok worrying about the long term youth development but when it comes to it, the fans want to see a winning or at least competing team.
Kear could give us that.
No one would have saved Webster if he'd had a really good youth policy but still lost all the games.
I am an advocate of the youth at Wakefield and would love to see a team that we have developed ourselves, but that takes money, and right now, we need that money in the first team squad.'"
I agree, Kears youth policy or lack of is utterly irrelevant for now - we just need to survive short term, because if we don't there will be no Wakefield Academy.
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| Quote: milopolly "Cannot agree with that Chissitt.
Wildie had loads of opportunity at Wakefield and is now playing at the appropriate level, as are Morton, Cowling and Southernwood.'"
Fully agree with what you are saying, but you are missing the point here Tony Drury as an academy coach could only bring them up to a certain standard, from then on those players should have had more intense coaching which they never got due mainly to Elston and Kear showing no interest at all in them, classic example for you, Chris Annakin if he'd have been at Wigan or Saints or Wire academies, he'd be an international now, why! because he'd have had the proper coaching as would our other lads have had, and probably playing at a higher level than they currently are.
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| Quote: chissitt "Fully agree with what you are saying, but you are missing the point here Tony Drury as an academy coach could only bring them up to a certain standard, from then on those players should have had more intense coaching which they never got due mainly to Elston and Kear showing no interest at all in them, classic example for you, Chris Annakin if he'd have been at Wigan or Saints or Wire academies, he'd be an international now, why! because he'd have had the proper coaching as would our other lads have had, and probably playing at a higher level than they currently are.'"
Fully agree. It no coincidence the last two players that came from Trinity's academy who made a decent impact on the international side were Ellis and Westwood, both of which were given extended opportunities in their fledgling careers. Hold the kids back and they'll never develop.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "Fully agree. It no coincidence the last two players that came from Trinity's academy who made a decent impact on the international side were Ellis and Westwood, both of which were given extended opportunities in their fledgling careers. Hold the kids back and they'll never develop.'"
This was what was frustrating, it's not so much how good they are now but how good they could have been with the proper coaching after the academy, admittedly it might not have worked out for some, but there was plenty there to go at if the right attitude had been shown by the club bearing in mind that they beat all the fancied academy sides like Leeds, Cas, Warrington, and the mighty Wigan to win the league and the academy final, one final thought from me how good might Matty Wildie one name mentioned might have been with some specialist coaching along with Annakin which has to be the biggest joke of all when he can't even make the 19 never mind get a game.
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| The idea of Kear - much as everyone remembers the 5 drives and a kick - brings back memories also of numerous pivots - too many at times!
We had Drew / Brough / Rooney / Obst / Latu and we sometimes struggled to get organised because of the shear numbers.
I also remember that he had this very structured idea of left and right sides. One half back for each - which sometimes frustrated the halves as they often wanted a more flexible style of play.
People need to factor everything in when considering options for the job long term!
Oh, and I still think he was very good for us and thank him for all that he did!
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| Quote: chissitt "This was what was frustrating, it's not so much how good they are now but how good they could have been with the proper coaching after the academy, admittedly it might not have worked out for some, but there was plenty there to go at if the right attitude had been shown by the club bearing in mind that they beat all the fancied academy sides like Leeds, Cas, Warrington, and the mighty Wigan to win the league and the academy final, one final thought from me how good might Matty Wildie one name mentioned might have been with some specialist coaching along with Annakin which has to be the biggest joke of all when he can't even make the 19 never mind get a game.'"
Quite funny this, we are all frothing at the mouth as to whether JK is any good at youth development - a side issue for now. The reality is that he isn't the Coach yet and no credible source has said he will be. That means GULP Stu Dickinson is Head Coach! No disrespect but he's an unknown, I only hope that if he wins his first few games he doesn't land a three year deal
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| Bang on the money Vasty
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| Quote: vastman "Quite funny this, we are all frothing at the mouth as to whether JK is any good at youth development - a side issue for now. The reality is that he isn't the Coach yet and no credible source has said he will be. That means GULP Stu Dickinson is Head Coach! No disrespect but he's an unknown, I only hope that if he wins his first few games he doesn't land a three year deal'"
Indeed, the six expressions of interest will hopefully put paid to any notion that Dickens will get the job. Does anyone know if Gilmour has gone? I've seen nothing confirming or denying this, is he still the assistant?
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| Quote: vastman "Quite funny this, we are all frothing at the mouth as to whether JK is any good at youth development - a side issue for now. The reality is that he isn't the Coach yet and no credible source has said he will be. That means GULP Stu Dickinson is Head Coach! No disrespect but he's an unknown, I only hope that if he wins his first few games he doesn't land a three year deal'"
I for one would not have a problem with JK coming back in fact short term I would gladly welcome him, and as the Boyem said next season Kear upstairs with Morrison as coach, I'd be quite happy with that, in the meantime I'm happy to see Stu Dickens take charge till something's sorted, as regards to Kears knowledge of youth development or lack of it, as you rightly say atm it's a side issue and unimportant but all I have done is point out when it was mentioned that Kear took more credit than he deserved and the man deserving of it Tony Drury got very little.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "Indeed, the six expressions of interest will hopefully put paid to any notion that Dickens will get the job. Does anyone know if Gilmour has gone? I've seen nothing confirming or denying this, is he still the assistant?'"
He's still assistant to Stu in the 19s,I'm guessing that he may be in charge on Friday when the 19s play HKR at BV and leave Stu to concentrate on the job in hand.
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| Tim Sheens has little to do at the moment.
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| Quote: Nineoiler "Tim Sheens has little to do at the moment.'"
On his way to Doncaster apparently to replace the Championship coach of the year elect Paul Cooke
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| Wasn't that one of Kear's masterstrokes, replacing Brough with Paul Cooke......
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