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Quote: vastman "Afraid it does. I'll name drop here but I was talking to JM just last night and he said it's not in the draft proposal. I think it's 18 points available in total. You actually get a quarter of a point for an electric screen but nothing for running an academy. Apparently it's on the RFL website. I have not checked myself but I doubt he's wrong. Of course it's only a draft proposal at present.'"


I've just reread it. Although it doesn't say academy, it says there will be minimum criteria and says as an example, a Grade A must run a ladies team.
So I might be wrong about academy, but there is a minimum criteria.

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Quote: Dunkirk Spirit "I think the may well have been the final straw for MC, for the past few years he’s always praised the Trinity Academy set up, even saying it cost £100,000 a year, he believed an Academy was a vital part of the criteria, and must have been gutted when the criteria details came out. I did listen to a rugby programme Monday night, a few clubs think it’s unfair that some clubs not spending money on academy, there was the suggestion of possibly awarding points for an Academy from the points of one of the other gradings. Still hope I suppose.'"


Makes a mockery of the whole process. I thought the whole idea of bringing IMG in was to improve our chances of competing against the Australians amongst other things. I'd say it was a huge priority and was worth at least a point, maybe more.

If it isn't added the first thing I'd do is scrap our academy, stop trying to be a community club and just spend it all on Aussies. It's totally wrong for the game, but looking at Salford it's almost certainly right for the club all things considered.

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Quote: PopTart "I've just reread it. Although it doesn't say academy, it says there will be minimum criteria and says as an example, a Grade A must run a ladies team.
So I might be wrong about academy, but there is a minimum criteria.'"


You can call it that but having no points it has no value, it's meaningless and contradictory. If you get the max points or near max points then you will remain in SL, Academy or no Academy. The only teams that will be affected are teams trying to gain access to SL in future as far as I can see. This is why suddenly clubs like Fev are joining Keighley in opposition and some SL clubs are questioning this particular issue.

Only a consultancy could come up with the logic that a screen is worth a 1/4 of a point but is can be worth 1/2 a point if you also install digital perimeter advertising, yet a youth team gets you zero - utterly bizarre imho.

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Quote: vastman "No point having an Academy. Look at the IMG proposal, you get no points for running one!

Might as well do what Salford do, save our money and buy a Brodie Croft when they become available.'"

Can't remember if it was 2006 7 or8 we had the super league academy champions remember watching play Tommy makison was playing with saints currie with warringtonwatkons with leedsjust mentioning some of the quality that was playing at the time what happened to our lads some like mattie Willie and Kyle Trout have made a living in the game but wakefield as a club wernt prepared to develop lads who could have been the backbone of a team today

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Quote: try scorer "Can't remember if it was 2006 7 or8 we had the super league academy champions remember watching play Tommy makison was playing with saints currie with warringtonwatkons with leedsjust mentioning some of the quality that was playing at the time what happened to our lads some like mattie Willie and Kyle Trout have made a living in the game but wakefield as a club wernt prepared to develop lads who could have been the backbone of a team today'"


That's because none of them were good enough, as shown by their subsequent careers. If you are good enough you will make it, so that argument carries no water with me. Are you seriously suggesting any of those players were ever in Makinsons class? That 2009 team was a great team but it wasn't full of great players, there is a difference.

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As pointed out of academy doesnt make any difference to the criteria then it really shows how little img know, yes its good for the likes of salford whos reserve and academy set up is no different or better than batley boys no disrespect to batley boys,but instead theyvcan sign brodie croft,so where is that going to help the game,more and more lads are packing the the game due to lack of financial gain at such a young age once clubs see theres no need to spend all this money on academys then more will pack in so in 10 years time we may have fancy screens but no quality of players to play

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Quote: vastman "That's because none of them were good enough, as shown by their subsequent careers. If you are good enough you will make it, so that argument carries no water with me. Are you seriously suggesting any of those players were ever in Makinsons class? That 2009 team was a great team but it wasn't full of great players, there is a difference.'"

If it carries no water with you you must be right I was quoting an observation from me and I can guarantee my knowledge of rugby league as a a player and coach is different class to you boyo going back to makinson a great player who looked useful but not spectacular at the time I am talking about don't you as an expert think that players at saints and wigan to namea couple get worked on in their development or doesn't that cut water with you professer

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Quote: try scorer "If it carries no water with you you must be right I was quoting an observation from me and I can guarantee my knowledge of rugby league as a a player and coach is different class to you boyo going back to makinson a great player who looked useful but not spectacular at the time I am talking about don't you as an expert think that players at saints and wigan to namea couple get worked on in their development or doesn't that cut water with you professer'"


Yeah of course you can, you being that famous coach, Bob Anonymous. We can all say tosh like that, that's what makes me laugh about people like you, Mopsey and Avenger. You hint you are something special in the game but you never say who you are. If you were that brave and credible you wouldn't need to hide behind a user name. You lot must think the rest of us incredibly gullible.

By the way, I'm Wally Lewis, prove me wrong.

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Quote: vastman "Yeah of course you can, you being that famous coach, Bob Anonymous. We can all say tosh like that, that's what makes me laugh about people like you, Mopsey and Avenger. You hint you are something special in the game but you never say who you are. If you were that brave and credible you wouldn't need to hide behind a user name. You lot must think the rest of us incredibly gullible.

By the way, I'm Wally Lewis, prove me wrong.'"


Why have you brought me into this,
Can you justify your statement by quoting a post from me where I’m hinting at being “something special”!

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Quote: vastman "Yeah of course you can, you being that famous coach, Bob Anonymous. We can all say tosh like that, that's what makes me laugh about people like you, Mopsey and Avenger. You hint you are something special in the game but you never say who you are. If you were that brave and credible you wouldn't need to hide behind a user name. You lot must think the rest of us incredibly gullible.

By the way, I'm Wally Lewis, prove me wrong.'"

Some one showed me you once your a fat lad probably a soft one toowallys put a bit of weight on but he's not fat we've all got user names otherwise you'd look a right prat

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Quote: The Avenger "Why have you brought me into this,
Can you justify your statement by quoting a post from me where I’m hinting at being “something special”!'"


Because you like the others mentioned talk about poor signings and this and that as if you somehow you always knew better. You didn't, you just have the benefit of hindsight. Anybody can be a Coach Hindsight, easiest job in the world. People like Mash and MC make decisions based on what they know at the time. Atoni looked a decent shout, may still be, but you are calling the club out based on what you think you know now, not what they knew then.

All players are a risk and I mean all, injuries are a killer and impossible to predict, but somehow you chose to ignore all that. It must be so frustrating to be so much more gifted than Mash and Ford yet not be a SL coach yourself.

We are not playing well, we are struggling for various reasons at present, but sporting fortunes can change overnight on the bounce of a ball. There is simply no need for the recriminations currently going on. We knew we were short of money this season, we knew we had an inexperienced coach and a thin squad, nobody hid that and most of us accept the reasons why. Do people who endlessly complain and snipe not think that those of us who stay positive don't feel the pain? Do you think we can't see that Atoni is yet to shine, we can I can assure you and it's frustrating as hell, but moaning doesn't help.

It's not just you and in a way I understand peoples despair, but when I see how hard people at the club are working it angers me when they get such unfair criticism.

Finally as regards your comments about MC, if it's any consolation on the few occasions I've met him I can't say we've bonded in a way I have with JM, different chemistry I suppose. We have not become best mates but that doesn't mean I can't respect him. As far as I'm concerned he saved the club and if he ruffles a few feathers I can live with it, I'm really not that precious.

You can either look up or look down, I chose up

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Quote: try scorer "Some one showed me you once your a fat lad probably a soft one toowallys put a bit of weight on but he's not fat we've all got user names otherwise you'd look a right prat'"


Seriously, I think that's the most immature response I've ever read on here and that takes some doing.

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Quote: vastman "Because you like the others mentioned talk about poor signings and this and that as if you somehow you always knew better. You didn't, you just have the benefit of hindsight. Anybody can be a Coach Hindsight, easiest job in the world. People like Mash and MC make decisions based on what they know at the time. Atoni looked a decent shout, may still be, but you are calling the club out based on what you think you know now, not what they knew then.

All players are a risk and I mean all, injuries are a killer and impossible to predict, but somehow you chose to ignore all that. It must be so frustrating to be so much more gifted than Mash and Ford yet not be a SL coach yourself.

We are not playing well, we are struggling for various reasons at present, but sporting fortunes can change overnight on the bounce of a ball. There is simply no need for the recriminations currently going on. We knew we were short of money this season, we knew we had an inexperienced coach and a thin squad, nobody hid that and most of us accept the reasons why. Do people who endlessly complain and snipe not think that those of us who stay positive don't feel the pain? Do you think we can't see that Atoni is yet to shine, we can I can assure you and it's frustrating as hell, but moaning doesn't help.

It's not just you and in a way I understand peoples despair, but when I see how hard people at the club are working it angers me when they get such unfair criticism.

Finally as regards your comments about MC, if it's any consolation on the few occasions I've met him I can't say we've bonded in a way I have with JM, different chemistry I suppose. We have not become best mates but that doesn't mean I can't respect him. As far as I'm concerned he saved the club and if he ruffles a few feathers I can live with it, I'm really not that precious.

You can either look up or look down, I chose up'"



You’ve got no idea what I know or don’t know, you have no idea what experience I have or don’t have!

I may be a know nothing who’s never really played the game beyond a couple of school games alongside Johnny Thompson and stood on the same lump of concrete in the North Stand for 35 years believing that doing so has allowed me to accumulate an in depth understanding of the game and the people who watch it!

On the other hand I might be John Kear or Brian Noble or Mail Reilly, the point is you’re making some very sweeping assumptions and condemnations based on no knowledge of me whatsoever.

I know you like to rub up against the ankles of the giants who run our club, like a mangey stray cat hoping for a bit of love but there’s really no need to get so defensive of them when people make their ignorant and poorly informed, or not, observations.

The modern world and the wonders of the World Wide Web allow us all to have one great big conversation just as the local pub provided a table and chairs for a small group of fans to chew the fat about everything including Trinity. I suppose the main difference is you wouldn’t have had the nuts nor the temerity to call out those guys sat with their pints in their local complaining about how their club was run!
No, you’d have faced toward the bar, put your head down and kept quiet for fear that one of them might be Try Scorer and he’d give you a thick ear for your cheek (anatomically not possible I know).

Anyhow, don’t take it so personal, it’s just fans talking about the club and when that stops we’ll really be in trouble

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Quote: vastman "Seriously, I think that's the most immature response I've ever read on here and that takes some doing.'"

Correct though cocker can't say the truth any differently

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