Thats fine but ask yourself whats changed, people have always moaned and been negative, tbh i am suprised we don't have more negativity and it seems to me most posters are very supportive in general or at least keep quiet.

Nothings changed on this board and Rich has always been able to argue and put is point across, he obviously feels he can't/won't do that anymore so i say again, whats changed.

Nothing wrong with that!

Yes on matchdays the ground is full of them, ban them all I say

Not far off the mark for me

A little bit arrogant for me is that.

What is the point of a forum if you can't express your views, unless they are positive, even when negative things are happening? When credit's due I'll give it. When criticism is due, likewise. I don't think it destabilises. I view it as keeping them on their toes, as I suspect the club does read the site. Currently they are getting the majority of stuff off the pitch right, with a few basic errors, which makes it all the more frustrating that I think we coiuld be better on the pitch; but we're not at the moment and I think we have a right to air our views on why that is. Some of it is Richard Agar's fault, some the players and some just down to the fact that it was a hastily and late in the day assembled squad. We can't change the latter but we can maybe change both of the former if required, which it may be the way things are going...oops sorry being negative again. A lot of us are maybe hard to please at Wakey but we've had a lot of let downs over the years so I think it is understandable. Whatever happens, I'll keep on supporting them and I personally have no other agenda than that, criticise though I may at times!

It's a poor thread, I don't know why it hasn't been locked yet. I agree that it's a very arrogant opening post that suggests no-ones else's opinion counts. Not good.

If we locked threads on the basis of the quality of them then there wouldn't be many around at times! Not sure why people think they have a right to put their opinion across but then bleat and moan when others do the same. It's a forum it's kind of how it works if you don't like it don't play... in my opinion of course...

World would be a better place if we all agreed....ball,home,my and taking rings a bell.

I still don't get the point of the thread ? I think I must be a misery junkie.

you've just griped, criticised, and spit out some acid. just like the people you are pointing the finger at

In part I agree with Clan - lots of negatives without any constructive suggestions. OK a forum's a free place where everyone can air their point of view but there's got to a bit, just a bit, of balance to it. I get the impression that some posters were expecting us to be contesting for the top of the league this year from the way they talk. This is the first year of a 3 year rebuilding that includes a squad in part, not selected by the current coach and assembled in a time frame which was way too short. We've got a team (which is more than we thought we'd have at one point last year), it's not at the bottom of the league, at times it shows it has real possibilities and it's lost more games than we'd like (London come to mind). However it is a team and picking on individuals as the sole or even main cause of the problem is completely pointless. Any player can have a bad game and their failings that day may cause problems for other players which are more obvious to the spectator. Who's the most to blame? Consistent criticism of one or two players as the only cause of the problem shows a pretty shallow appreciation of the game.

Some of the postings make me laugh, some make me angry, some make me stare at the screen is disbelief and some are just totally incomprehensible, but I'll stick with it ..... for now.

Sandal Spartans will have one voice less to promote them, which is a shame, but Bren's a smart guy and is good with words, so that should be OK.

I can see why you'd get bored of fans's forums. Ever since rugby went from results meaning something to results being "nice to have", they've lost their spark for me too. But the rest of the stuff... Come on...

You were the touchline expert on the one occasion we've ever met. I enjoyed the company and the game, even though we lost. Made travelling over worthwhile. Can't see why other people's opinions should upset you so much now. It's not like the last few years have been any different.

Remember back to when you first started watching the game, before you played it, and then before you played it professionally, and then before 2 of your brothers coached it professionally - did you always have the same view of how it should be played? Did you always like the same kind of player? Did you always understand what was really going on???

Everyone has their own view, (nearly) everyone pays their own brass to see the game, and everyone has the right to rate the entertainment they paid to see. If you can offer more insight into why what they're seeing is wrong, then why not continue to do so, for the love of the game, rather than take your ball home because you don't like what you're reading?

Your call, mate. You won't lose face by returning... many have in the past. And if you choose not to, hope to see you some time again.

OK, I know I said no more posts but...

It seems my post has offended one or two people it was never aimed at, it wasn’t my intention to question the judgement or undermine the reasoning of people who genuinely seek out a proper debate on the rights and wrongs of Rugby League and Wakefield Trinity. Neither did I intend to infer that my judgement or opinion was any more valid than the next mans. I’ve had 9 years of banter on here with many posters, I’ve had many more years than I want to admit talking to fans about rugby and I’ve always been willing to hear and accept someone else’s opinions. I would hope that those who know me would agree with that.

My opinion, for what it’s worth, is that there are a growing number of people on this board who are here for no other reason than to further their own agenda, who spend their time on the character assassinations of players and coaches without just cause, peddling half truths and lies with a level of spin that Peter Mandelson would blush at. There is a proliferation of threads that seem to serve no other reason than to provide a platform for some individuals to crank up the negative emotions we all feel when things aren’t good.

I’ve merely chosen to leave the debating table and not listen or read it anymore as it angers me to do so; I stated my reasons for leaving rather than just signing off!

So sorry if I inadvertantly offended one or two that I never meant to but to the others, if the cap fits and all that..

Ha me too...don't want to be but it's hard not to be as the defeats pile up....I'll go and write 100 x 'I must learn to love losing'.