Add Griffin to the list, how he’s been playing he’s certainly got another year in him if he wants it that is.

You do not start complaining about the players that's my job lol But got to admit your bang on and it's a good post

Pitt’s hood olpherts griffin could all do a job next year as squad players , saying they’ve got better on the face of it is true. but it is largely down to the opposition and the dominance of the team around them.

We probably will extend a couple of them to make the squad up and I have no problem with that. however not one of them will have a starting 1-13 shirt. They’ve all had and are having a great season but we are strengthening the squad significantly in virtually every area and if we wish to compete we need to.

Pitts (need that experienced head after losing Ashurst and Bowden and he’d be it though play less minutes) would and Hood (Smith needs another season before he’s ready) but the rest I agree would be more squad and rotation players. All of these mentioned though will be very short 1 year only if needed I suspect.

Sometimes as PT alluded to it’s not about if they’re good enough. It may be that they’re the best available in the short term.

Lewis Murphy has signed a two year contract with St Helens. Confirmed by Saints today

Shame that is. Would have liked to have seen him back at Trinity.

That said I think TJ and Walmsley will be excellent next season as a wing pairing.

I liked Murphy but his heart was never at Wakefield.
The club is bigger than him in my opinion and yes; tJ and LW will do for me.

That’s not what I was saying. I don’t think anyone would ever suggest a player is bigger than the club.

I don’t know Murphy personally or are privy to players opinions or thoughts of the club like you to say that his heart was never at the club. I never saw anything short of bags of effort from the lad though.

I’m happy with what we got but Murphy would have been a good signing and no doubt will be a good signing for saints.

Agreed TH, wonder if we ever made an offer to him?

Completely disagree with your statement about his heart not being at Wakefield. I cannot think of one single game he played for us where he gave less than his best, he was a young inexperienced player who got thrown into SL far earlier and more frequently than was ideal, but he took his opportunity with both hands. He may have had ambitions we weren't able to fulfil but to say his heart wasn't in it is just wrong.

Whether you agree with my comments or not is water off a ducks back to me!
I agree he gave 100% while playing.
I really mean that after his injury he was looked after for months by the club but then opted to change clubs..had his heart been at Trinity perhaps he would have wanted to stay?
I don't dislike the lad for that and I wish him well but he chose to leave and far more exciting things have been happening this season for me to even think about Lewis Murphy.
Just my opinion!

Read it again .
Where did I say YOU said he was bigger than the club?

Amazes people question player commitment

Murphy was out of contract at wakefield. Had an offer to stay at wakefield but chose Sydney.

Who wouldn’t …. NRL minimum wage (significantly more than we could have offered) and the opportunity to test himself in the Roosters environment was too good to miss out on IMO

Saints now have come in offered him a deal at one of the if not the biggest club in SL.

Good luck to him.

Then why would you respond to my post saying that no player is bigger than the club. Nobody had suggested he was until you quoted my post. It’s reasonable for me to think that’s what you believed in that circumstance or why mention or question it.

If you meant that it’s your opinion then that’s fine but that wasn’t clear. I’m pretty sure not one fan would value any player over the club anyway.

That’s the thing though.

Croft and Shaw had a contract offer and did not sign it. They then were unable to take a contract in the UK until after their 23rd? Birthday unless it was with Trinity. They signed for French and Australian clubs. As no club would pay a fee we finally agreed a contract with them as we needed them also.

How is this scenario different to that? If as you say trinity offered a contract then other clubs in uk shouldn’t be able to sign him without paying a fee should they?

I see no difference in the Croft/Shaw/Murphy situations unless it’s been changed or club agreed to relinquish any fees etc.