If you don't have a red white and blue outlook, why are you here? Isn't that what we all have supporting Wakefield Trinity?

To support a club means you want the best for that club but not blindly accept what we are being served without question. We pay our money but ultimately it is down to those running, coaching and playing for Wakefield to ensure we have something to at least be proud of. We haven’t had that for several seasons but we still pay our money. I would say the club are lucky that they have such loyalty which let’s be honest has not been reciprocated by the team on many occasions.
We all know that relegation will mean many will move on but we the supporters will remain. We can do no more so over to the club to do their part of the deal and start performing at every level.

So what does a red white and blue outlook mean then if not wanting the best for Wakefield Trinity?

Yes it does but for you it includes removing any questions regarding the club and our poor performances in many games.

I haven't removed anything and I've been critical of some things. I just like to see the whole picture and point out good things too. Some forget to do that.

You actually state that "if the CEO knew of such people he would be onto it" IT IS THE JOB OF THE CEO TO DO THIS !!!
So you yourself have said that the CEO of wakefield isn't able to get the correct investment needed,
In what other business would anyone be appointed to CEO if he/she did not posses the skillset to bring in the type of investment needed.
Nobody is saying Mr Carter hasn't done a decent job saving the club but unfortunately we need more and this is quite simply down to the Chairman and CEO to bring in such investment or employ the right people with the skills to do it.
Yes this will be a hard job but that is why they are the Chairman/CEO of this club.
Just imagine if a top business was failing and the Chairman and CEO failed to stop the rot and bring in what was needed,do you think the rest of the board/shareholders would be happy and just say "it's hard to find the investment needed" or would they make sure they did whatever was needed to put a CEO in place that could find the investment

can't help but smile at your posts, I can remember when TRB was on and you nicknamed him Ted Richardsons Bagman after his initials and his constant defending of the club. You've now turned into Mr Carter and the clubs chief apologist, in fact why don't you change your name to MCs lovechild, it will fit in well in your portfolio of usernames from over the years which you real out when it suits. You seem to have a lot of opinions when by your own admission you've done with the club, have no interest in it and don't attend anymore. Your basic aim on here is to deliver snide comments and stir the pot and its become quite sickly. Mud sticks old boy

1) this isn't a top business
2) if there are no willing investors then being good at getting them doesn't help
3) we don't have shareholders
4) just to be clear, you are at best a customer

Again I think you are trying to manipulate what is being said
We are playing in the "Elite" level of rugby league so the analagy with a top business is correct

As for "no willing investors" again I fail to agree that there are not willing investors around the country or even further and again its down to the chairman and CEO to bring these in.
It really is simple business sense.

3 As for shareholders, again that is who a CEO/Chairman would answer to in normal business (in effect the supporters are the o es they have to answer to in this)

4 In a poorly run club yes you are correct at best I am a customer and as such is the reason we are in the mess we have been for numerous years,in a properly run successful club I would be a valued asset who could have input and my opinions listened to.
Do we have a fans steering group that can report to the board ?
How often are we going around the local schools,groups ,clubs Etc..again I'm sure some supporters would be willing to go give some time up to do this if asked.
The statement I heard in a big work meeting last month rang completely true with our situation
IF WE ALWAYS DO WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE WE WILL ALWAYS GET WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS GOT.

First of all I'll not underline your point as you've done it for me with the cap locks, it is the job of the CEO to get investors on board I'm sure nobody knows that more than him, but getting investors on board in this financial climate with no guarantee of a return is impossible, simple question would you put your hard earned into a rugby league club? don't bother answering that because you've already pointed out your feelings, he's done marvellously well getting the sponsorship he's got, unfortunately not enough as I'm sure he'll be the first to admit it, and please don't try and put words into my mouth as quite frankly my dear your not bright enough, what I said was that the CEO wasn't able to get the correct investment he would like, not the same is it.

Well first of all I'm clued up as to the pecking order of the management of the club and apologies if I've got it wrong but isn't Mr Carter the main investor in the club, and did he not step down as chairman and made himself the CEO to split the job description to bring Mr Maynard apologies for not knowing his name to give him more responsibility in the club, so nobody has really give him any responsibility, and I might just add that after 8 years or so it's a bit late to question his skillset regarding generating investment in the club, and yes your implying that he is no longer capable of doing the job, you and the other two anti Carter members.
Just one other point to clear up, THE BUSINESS IS NOT FAILING, see what I did there does that make me as clever as you? the business isn't exactly thriving but it's debt free apart from the serviceable mortgage for our own ground due to be expanded and improved, all the bills and the wages are paid, does that sound like failure to you, sorry don't answer that, it's either the coaching staff or the players or a bit of both that's letting the side down not the directors.

No it doesn't make you as clever as me
If you dont think the business is failing well there is no point in even discussing it.
Enjoy the game at the weekend,I'm sure the same points will be being brought up again by xomeone else.

Well first of all I'm glad you've got something to smile about, never had a problem with TRB and if you were a fan of the club neither would you, but it's noticeable your bitterness still sticks out, and if I remember rightly that was your nickname for him not mine.
I see your still as bitter as ever towards Carter, but we'll keep that between ourselves for now anyway, MCslovechild somehow doesn't have the same ring to it as mopseyslovechild does it It wasn't created to give snide comments just take the mick out of you till I got bored, that's why I blocked you on the phone as well cos I was sick of your whinging about Carter and Kear oh and the way your rocky was treated, which I suppose that's why the character assassination, anyway good luck darn lane old boy don't bother with the reply it won't do either of us much good.

Once more......we are a small business with limited income.

Anyone putting money in is not an investor they are giving funds with no hope of a return.

We have sponsorship who gain advertising and as far as I know (which I don't really for sure) we aren't doing bad at this compared to other seasons

We are customers, nothing more. Supporters groups are an idea that always gets raised but if you take RLfans as an example, much as enjoy debating on here, I would not want the vast majority anywhere near making decisions for the club.

I see somebody started a new thread on the possible return of John Kear to the club, do you have any thoughts you'd like to share on that Old Boy