Tell some of your fellow poster who seem to entirely blame the supporters. We will get what we deserve etc.
It costs nothing to reply to people's e-mails however this appears to be a step too far. They have during their time had problems with the telephone lines, e-mails and have no plan to try to chase up those still to renew. I suppose it could be to save money on the telephone bill.
Those in denial always quote we have no money does anyone actually know what our current position is or are we still basing on the fact that since the first statement we have received no further updates other than they have found some more debts. What debts how much are these only those selling the team know.
I sadly bought my ticket before Smith was sold and the new board took over. I will post something positive when I see it, I am still to do so. If you have anything that would be considered as positive to the other supporters please let me and them know.
I cant help but note you are criticising the supporters please remember the majority are not all as dedicated to the cause as you.

Why do some fans feel its right to have ago cos people arnt buying ST.i wont buy one cos there will be no joy i seeing my team getting smashed every week and is that not the reason for going "enjoyment"thats not to say im not a fan though in fact the club could make more out of me cos should by some miracle they start ok ill pay on the day

I'm not having a go at the supporters. I'm just saying, as a group, we will get what we pay for.
I have been supporting Wakefield Trinity since the mid 70s, as an adult with a awage since the late 80s but the first season ticket I bought was when Glover and Elston took over, as they sold it well.
The reverse applies now so I understand completely why there are less STs being sold.
What I do say though is that buying the season tickets clearly puts the club in a better position. If we don't sell them we will not get a good team. You can't blame the board or Agar for that. It is just basic economics

Well said Sue

I have been in business for 33 years. In that time have had highs and lows. The biggest low was when several major clients went into liquidation within a few weeks of each other. My options were either go bust, let all my suppliers whistle, and take a pre pack, alternatively I could fight for survival and being quite stubborn, I chose the latter.
I contacted every supplier and ring fenced my debts agreeing terms to settle over a period of time but at the same time, agreeing to continue trading with the same people. Only two objected, I paid them off and have never dealt with them since. I also, had to make redundancies and reduce hours where possible and take a hit myself. It is not pleasant and is very stressful. The staff that left found other jobs and I gave them good references. You also have to look at every single operation cost, no matter how small, and look at other suppliers or re-negotiate if possible and get better deals.
All my suppliers respected my openness and action and still work with me 13 years later. These are similar business actions being taken by the BOD. If you cannot be patient, it's tough.
I think they are looking at the long game and have to make new structures and prioritise activity on a daily basis to gain momentum on recovery.
You know that we will have a team on the park next year and that new names will start to appear over the next month. By posting so much negativity, e.g. you bought a packet of crisps in the Cats bar and they were a week out of date, we are making the club look much worse than it hopefully is. At the end of the day, we have had worse, i.e. we have been in administration.
Some of you think you are in the know because you heard something in a bar, 99% of the time it will be crap.
Be patient, nothing you say or do with speculation will change thing if it is negativity.

Fighting talk from Feline and a realistic take on things by Manuel make me feel better anyhow.

Thanks Manuel - a reasoned post from someone with first hand experience of steering a business through troubled times.



I don't want get in to the "true supporter" argument but part of my definition of a supporter would be someone who is a critical friend ie. offers a balanced view of what's going well and what's not going well AND offers constructive ideas for improvement. You are purely negative and, as you say, totally unable to see anything good being done by the club. Your final sentence sums up your attitude. With friends like you we certainly don't need enemies.
I don't necessarily blame people who don't buy STs for our plight - I just asked the question. You say it's never the supporters' fault so, it must be the people running the club. So, let's take them out of the situation and what have we got?? Answer - zilch, nada, sweet FA. They are trying to do something. What are you doing?
And finally (sorry everyone, I'm ranting) - you've asked the club how much of the "black hole" has been filled in and they haven't responded. Well why the hell should they? If I were in MCs position you're the last person I'd share anything with let alone potentially sensitive commercial information. What would you do with it critical friend???
I don't normally rave so congratulations on that. Loads more I could say but I'll stop there. You've made your point - give it a rest now and get on with supporting the club.

MC has sold two overseas and another one has gone to HKR.
Ben Cockayne is off to HKR, for a fee?
Amor has gone to Saints for a fee.
The only one i am disappointed in losing is Amor, as good home grown props are hard to come by but if he wanted to go, you have to cash in.
Seems to me that MC is trying to transfer the overseas before the home grown players.
If some team wants Collis, i would let him go also but as someone has mentioned on a different topic, really good centre but too many niggling injuries to be attractive to teams.

I think the fact we were able to get money for two overseas players is down to the fact that the buying clubs realise the qualities they possess. I can't believe you would be happy to see Collis go, I know you are desparate but get real.
With regards only looking to offload overseas that would be little comfort to Cowling, Mariano, Kaye and all the other UK players we have released.

You are desperate or we are desperate?

The qualities of the two overseas that we got fees for, were that one was looking to get his career back on track and we took a gamble on him and the other was workhorse and not that spectacular, yet we have managed to get good money for them.
I see Collis like i saw Mariano, a team like Wake can't afford to pay players that only play two thirds of the season.
Collis is a good centre but too injury prone or not playing fully fit.
As for Cowling, hasn't he gone to Halifax to combine his studies?
Has Kaye signed elsewhere?
Who are the other UK players we have released?
I'm not desperate, just a bit of a realist.
You should try it sometime, instead of being a know it all.

Thank you for the correction, I will check my posts more carefully because I wouldn't want to bring the forum into disrepute.

It's actually starting to get entertaining to see how you can answer as negatively as possible.

Its not the first time you've slipped up, 4/10