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| Quote: The Avenger "People, the young in particular, are inspired and motivated to emulate their idols and in particular idols with whom they can identify. They are more likely to become Physicaly and mentally active in the pursuit of their desire to emulate, that in turn generates a more active 'lifestyle trait' which is carried forward throughout their lives thus alleviating the budgets of the National Health etc NOT SPECULATION, PROVEN!
it is also proven that schoolchildren who are Physicaly, mentaly and socially involved in an active lifestyle through sport are more likely to succeed academically. NOT SPECULATION, PROVEN!
Children in this area are inspired by sporting heroes to get actively involved in sport but the numbers are drifting downward and will hit rock bottom if we lose the only professional sports club from the City of Wakefield. With these two things in mind it is criminally negligent of the Council and its leader to nonchalantly shrug his shoulders and wash his hands of HIS responsibility to Wakefield.'"
Children in the area ARE actively involved in sport though - they certainly are in Castleford. Facilities are superb at Cas High School were several teams compete every year in the Wembley finals and Airedale High don't to too bad either.
Will the addition of a couple of all-weather pitches off the M62 for football have that much effect on sporting excellence in the WF area? I don't think so.
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| Quote: sixtogo "Very good post and sadly I agree with your prediction, it pains me to see what has happened in my place of birth and home town of many years. But i've said it before and i'll say it again, in my professional opinion Newmarket is dead in the water and it won't happen no matter how much you want it to. All it is now is a bargaining chip to try and get the funds for a full Belle Vue revamp and I actually think by clinging onto the NM build you are actually lessening the chance of that happening. It makes the argument seem inconsistent and unsure. It screams of 'give us something, anything' and this plays right into the hands of the people trying to wriggle out of their obligations by playing for time and playing on that apparent confusion. The time has come to go full steam ahead on pushing the BV deal through as the longer it drags then the less chance it will ever happen. The superbowl and gym will not be available for ever, the longer you are caught between two stools then the more the likelihood that someone will nip in and snatch them for under the clubs/trusts nose. YCP will happily sit on the land at NM for as long at it takes to become available, building around the site up to the trigger point and sneaking in other 'Newcold' style developments. They know it is worth more to them and more to the council in future revenue as business use rather than a stadium so will be in it for the long haul.
As for Mr Box I have encounted him on more than one occasion and no I don't like the guy as a person, in fact not many people I know do. But he is not there to be liked he is there to provide for the entire WMDC area and like it or not he has plenty of support throughout the district. Yes this includes sporting facilities for the city itself but in recent times the focus on this has dropped way down the political scale whilst other matters have risen up to take priority. Principally this involves building housing as there is a MASSIVE shortfall in this area, especially affordable housing. Now YCP are big players in this market and have various plots around the district, some already will planning permission, earmarked for housing. They also have to have their own funds available to be able to deliver this and I should imagine building a sy new stadium may just seriously affect that. The council HAVE to provide extra housing, it is a non-negotiable governmemt directive, if they don't they get their central government funding cut and everyone in the district then suffers further. Obviously this then makes the council and its leader a target to be shot out and i'm pretty sure he wants to avoid that scenario. So if anyone thinks he will be going head to head with Yorkcourt over this then and shaking the tree until it breaks then they are deluding themselves, it's not going to happen. It's just not in his or his parties best interests and he could quite justifiably argue not in the wider districts either. Supporting the build could be more politically damaging to him than remaining silent on the matter and any politician would likely do the same. I doubt his position on it will change anytime soon.
I still think the best that will come from this is a couple of million quid take it or leave it deal to buy back Belle Vue from the bank and a few quid for a lick of paint, anything more than that will be a bonus. Yes the public has been shafted but the main protagonists know that they hold all the cards regarding time here and will play for that as the club can't grow as it is now and evetually will drop, lessening the requirement still further. Rather than a community facility NM has always been seen to most as a new stadium for Wakefield Trinity, a club with around four thousand regularly attending fans. You might not want to admit it but to the outsider looking in it is an insignificant development and one that a very small percentage of the area give a damn about. Plenty has changed since the heady days of the petition and people have bigger fish to fry regarding what they think should be going with their money in their communities and a sports ground up by the motorway on the border with Leeds isn't going to garner as much backing as it once would have. It's only my professional opinion from what is now afar but target the BV revamp and something may still come out of this but keeping the push for NM will detract attention and will likely ensure we end up with nothing. Speed is of the essence now as given yesterdays figures that government borrowing has risen heavily again I expect more announcements of cuts in the chancellors upcoming autumn statement which will effect local government. There will be though a further push to get Britain building as it is fast reaching crisis point, this obviously also has a bearing on BV given it has planning permission for housing and the bank wants to sell. It is time to think through the tactics and start singing the same hymn from the same sheet.'"
True and we need to make a move ASAP
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| Quote: Tigerade "Children in the area ARE actively involved in sport though - they certainly are in Castleford. Facilities are superb at Cas High School were several teams compete every year in the Wembley finals and Airedale High don't to too bad either.
Will the addition of a couple of all-weather pitches off the M62 for football have that much effect on sporting excellence in the WF area? I don't think so.'"
Yes it is fair to say that sporting facilities in schools and colleges in the area have improved massively in the last few years to a point where many have their own top quality facilities and/or links to professional gyms and health clubs giving students access to a wider amount of kit than ever before. The change to academies has also aided this investment. I would say that it would be the community clubs that would benefit the most from a new development but they don't require a massive stadium to be built, just the basic facilities. I would have thought that would make it cheaper for them to use and a more viable option than the costs a large multi-purpose stadium build would incur.
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| Quote: Theboyem "Yes it is fair to say that sporting facilities in schools and colleges in the area have improved massively in the last few years...'"
FYI, the sports facilities at Wakefield College have all just been closed.
They now hire Lightwaves and have no outdoor fields to compare with what they had at Thornes Park.
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| Quote: dboy "FYI, the sports facilities at Wakefield College have all just been closed.
They now hire Lightwaves and have no outdoor fields to compare with what they had at Thornes Park.'"
Not a new thing, they were using lightwaves and Thornes athletics facilities 20 years ago when i was there. The old Thornes house facilities should have been pulled down years ago anyway. I believe other agreements are in place to use more modern facilities elsewhere.
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| Quote: sixtogo " Snip '"
Brilliant summation of the situation and sadly very true in every paragraph and although some people on here won't believe it or want it, personally I think he's 100% on the money unfortunately.
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| Quote: Theboyem "Not a new thing, they were using lightwaves and Thornes athletics facilities 20 years ago when i was there. The old Thornes house facilities should have been pulled down years ago anyway. I believe other agreements are in place to use more modern facilities elsewhere.'"
They were using Lightwaves when it was still current and well maintained.
The facilities there now are terrible. They have only used it since September because the college want to sell TP for housing.
The college has no agreements elsewhere and the athletics track was not used by the college, unless hired separately.
Where are the modern facilities you talk of?
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| Quote: dboy "They were using Lightwaves when it was still current and well maintained.
The facilities there now are terrible. They have only used it since September because the college want to sell TP for housing.
The college has no agreements elsewhere and the athletics track was not used by the college, unless hired separately.
Where are the modern facilities you talk of?'"
The last time i went into lightwaves it was for a beer festival so i'll have to take your word for that. I'll ask my mate who works in the sports department there his opinion on it.
The college hire out places to use, just like it did when I was there with the athletics track. I know they did because i used it many times whilst there.
And they have the use of Croftons facilities now as well where they have just built a shiney new sixth form.
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| Anyway moving on given its in the same district would Cas getting the ok for their 'community stadium' a couple of junctions up the motorway legally lessen the need for the council to provide sporting facilities? Could they point to that as an alternative to Newmarket?
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| Quote: Theboyem "The last time i went into lightwaves it was for a beer festival so i'll have to take your word for that. I'll ask my mate who works in the sports department there his opinion on it.
The college hire out places to use, just like it did when I was there with the athletics track. I know they did because i used it many times whilst there.
And they have the use of Croftons facilities now as well where they have just built a shiney new sixth form.'"
The college does not have access to the Crofton facilities. They closed TP saying the college would use QEGS...yeah right!
One fitness class at college is taught in a cookery room at F block.
Ask your teacher mate about the 3 "classrooms" they have at Lightwaves, or the building classes that take place next door to the classrooms!
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| Loving how so many people who do not have current knowledge are writing all this off!
You will all be immensely pleased to know that we have every expectation of delivering something that we can all be proud of - be that at BV or NM - and there is very good reason for our stance on NM which we will not alter - unless all the right conditions are met!
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| Quote: dboy "The college does not have access to the Crofton facilities. They closed TP saying the college would use QEGS...yeah right!
One fitness class at college is taught in a cookery room at F block.
Ask your teacher mate about the 3 "classrooms" they have at Lightwaves, or the building classes that take place next door to the classrooms!'"
To be fair that does sound very Wakey college-esque from when i was there! They dumped us in the old ings road school for a while! I am though assured that plans are afoot to improve matters. Guess time will tell!
What it does show is that despite better facilities already being available like QEGS or Crofton there is no guarantee that they will actually use them. It comes down to money and budget cuts means that whilst academies can gain extra money to fund improvements, publicly funded colleges are struggling big time and i know that one for a fact! The build it and they will come strapline doesn't add up for a major build at Newmarket i'm afraid as it has to be paid for somehow and that can only be by charging more for its use than many could afford. A smaller development may work out financially but a large one? Doubt it, it will run up too many debts. I also think that it is time to push for the BV refurb and forget NM.
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| Quote: TRB "Loving how so many people who do not have current knowledge are writing all this off!
You will all be immensely pleased to know that we have every expectation of delivering something that we can all be proud of - be that at BV or NM - and there is very good reason for our stance on NM which we will not alter - unless all the right conditions are met!'"
You said that about 4 years ago as well......
Sorry but it is difficult to have any positivity about this anymore. A case of same old same. It's not a go at you or any of you involved but my expectation of seeing anything come out of this is zero.
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| Hate to say it but I'm in the same boat, I expect nothing to materialise as it seems to always be the case.
I commend the efforts of those beating the drums but until I see a brick laid I'm going to remain pretty cynical about it all.
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| Quote: Theboyem "You said that about 4 years ago as well......
Sorry but it is difficult to have any positivity about this anymore. A case of same old same. It's not a go at you or any of you involved but my expectation of seeing anything come out of this is zero.'"
Can't blame you or anyone for feeling that way, I sometimes feel that way myself but we either just lie down and accept that we are not going to get anything or we carry on with the campaign.
As TRB as eluded to there are things going on that have to remain confidential, at least for the time being and our aim is to get something, be it at Newmarket or Belle Vue that we all can be proud of.
We may end up with nothing, but if that is to be the case, which I doubt, it won't be because we did not fight. If we accept that we are going to get nothing that is what we will get.
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