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come back with the same comment every time vasty, use your own imagination for once.

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Quote: lampyboy "come back with the same comment every time vasty, use your own imagination for once.'"


No you just tell us where the cash will come from, simple question. I don’t need imagination I need facts and figures, that’s how business works.

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What You need and get are 2 different things.
Who the hell do you think you are, you give it a rest.

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As Img are running the game they will do whatever’s in the best interest of img and makes the most for their shareholders.
The RFL won’t really have much say, img don’t give a crap about the history of the club why would they.

They will create criteria that give them the outcome they want, just like in a redundancy situation - the person or people that create the criteria invariably get rid of the people they want shut of. Img are leaving the door open to do whatever they want

Reality is if they decide to reduce the league or bring in other clubs, cas and Wakefield will be vying for the same slot probably with hull kr , Salford etc will be category b, but of course if Bradford , Halifax Toulouse, London etc got their act together they could also be made into category b.

at least we will have a new ground and stand, we are also the city club, cas have better support and more success but have a sub standard ground, Salford have poor support, potentially no ground yet in the past couple years have had more success than any of the others. Pros and cons all around.

Personally have seen the sport steadily decline over a long period of time, supporter numbers have declined, ridiculous rules designed to speed the game up, and crazy fixture congestion have resulted in teams fielding half a team on numerous occasions, crazy fixture dates and times have reduced numbers further, some of the on and off field decisions have convinced me that corruption is present in the game, RFL and super league aren’t fit for purpose. So if img can achieve some sort of turnaround and way of improving the games fortunes good luck to them

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Quote: Kirmudgeonlyisback "As Img are running the game they will do whatever’s in the best interest of img and makes the most for their shareholders.
The RFL won’t really have much say, img don’t give a crap about the history of the club why would they.

They will create criteria that give them the outcome they want, just like in a redundancy situation - the person or people that create the criteria invariably get rid of the people they want shut of. Img are leaving the door open to do whatever they want

Reality is if they decide to reduce the league or bring in other clubs, cas and Wakefield will be vying for the same slot probably with hull kr , Salford etc will be category b, but of course if Bradford , Halifax Toulouse, London etc got their act together they could also be made into category b.

at least we will have a new ground and stand, we are also the city club, cas have better support and more success but have a sub standard ground, Salford have poor support, potentially no ground yet in the past couple years have had more success than any of the others. Pros and cons all around.

Personally have seen the sport steadily decline over a long period of time, supporter numbers have declined, ridiculous rules designed to speed the game up, and crazy fixture congestion have resulted in teams fielding half a team on numerous occasions, crazy fixture dates and times have reduced numbers further, some of the on and off field decisions have convinced me that corruption is present in the game, RFL and super league aren’t fit for purpose. So if img can achieve some sort of turnaround and way of improving the games fortunes good luck to them'"


The ridiculous rules is one of the main reasons the sport is less entertaining in my eyes. Since day 1 I have been against six agains especially. That rule has single handed lu stifled any creativity in games.

It used to be that teams would have to put on some set plays or have some creative off the cuff talent to create opportunities to break the defensive line. Six again has basically promoted a different boring one up style of quick play followed by a quick drive from first receiver to catch the opposition retreating to either force a repeat set or find a gap behind the ruck. The style of games has become a real slog fest of bartering it up at speed repeatedly.

Saint Helen’s have mastered this. Theyre not what I would call a classy or creative team. They adapt to six again and have built their game to suit it in hammering the opposition line at pace one after another. They also exploit the six again by purposefully giving away six agains on the first tackle forcing the refs hands. My guess is that they do the because they only lose 1 tackle yet after a few the ref thinks he’s given a few against so will relax on giving them. Most games in terms of penalty or six agains are relatively even. Nothing against saints. They’re just a smarter team than the other 11 and have excellent fitness levels across the park.

I just don’t like it. I’d rather scrap and go back to how it was when crowds were bigger and the clubs and coaches actually coached players to break down teams rather than work to a fast streamlined system.

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Quote: lampyboy "What You need and get are 2 different things.
Who the hell do you think you are, you give it a rest.'"


No you don’t get away that easy.I’m a fan and you had a poke at the fans.

You stated that Trinity fans were happy to let the grass grow under our feet, this reads as lacking ambition.

I dispute this, it’s an insult to those working hard to move us forward.

So in fairness I asked you to explain how you’d do it better as you often claim you could. So please justify your comments and explain how, that’s all I’m asking.

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Quote: lampyboy "What You need and get are 2 different things.
Who the hell do you think you are, you give it a rest.'"

Simple enough, he's asking you to justify your comments which you don't seem to be able to.

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You read things as you wish, I couldn't give a dam
Who the hell do you think you are demanding answers.
You have no importance, get used to it.
Chissitt, when I want your advice I'll ask for it, butt out

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Once again let's all cut out the insults and sniping.

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Quote: lampyboy "You read things as you wish, I couldn't give a dam
Who the hell do you think you are demanding answers.
You have no importance, get used to it.
Chissitt, when I want your advice I'll ask for it, butt out'"

Wouldn't dream of offering you advice squire, just making an observation if that's allowed, thanks for the prompt response by the way icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: lampyboy "You read things as you wish, I couldn't give a dam
Who the hell do you think you are demanding answers.
You have no importance, get used to it.
Chissitt, when I want your advice I'll ask for it, butt out'"


Come on, if you're not willing to argue or discuss what you post, then why post at all. Facebook and Twitter are the places for that, this is a Forum, it's in the name, we debate or that's the idea

I'm not picking on you, I'm open minded. If you can give me a valid rationale on how you'd do better than the club already are I'd say no more. In fact I'd salute you and suggest you e-mailed the club. I've no doubt there are things the club could do better, just tell us what they are and how you'd sort them. I'm a nobody but both MC and JM read these forums, now is your opportunity.

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Look Vasty if your constantly looking to argue, if you are going to make a statement make it factual.
I have never ever said I could run the club better, maybe you could show me were I have.
I'm not going through the things I have said because I'm sure you are aware.

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Quote: lampyboy "Look Vasty if your constantly looking to argue, if you are going to make a statement make it factual.
I have never ever said I could run the club better, maybe you could show me were I have.
I'm not going through the things I have said because I'm sure you are aware.'"


I'm not arguing, I'm asking.

I'm not the one who made the statement.

However we are getting nowhere so I'll leave it. Thanks.

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Here's where it gets interesting.
It seems that York believe that they are close to being a grade A club.
New ground, plenty of cash and a wealthy backer and then there is Newcastle too, who fit much of the same criteria.

Are these clubs more worthy of a spot in SL than us, Cas, KR or Salford ?

It could all get very messy, especially if at some point, being in close proximity to another SL club, becomes part of the criteria.

Plenty of time and more detail will come but, with the stated aim of "spreading the game", Newcastle and York will gain extra points when they evaluate suitability and London are being mentioned too.

Anyone nervous ?

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Here's where it gets interesting.
It seems that York believe that they are close to being a grade A club.
New ground, plenty of cash and a wealthy backer and then there is Newcastle too, who fit much of the same criteria.

Are these clubs more worthy of a spot in SL than us, Cas, KR or Salford ?

It could all get very messy, especially if at some point, being in close proximity to another SL club, becomes part of the criteria.

Plenty of time and more detail will come but, with the stated aim of "spreading the game", Newcastle and York will gain extra points when they evaluate suitability and London are being mentioned too.

Anyone nervous ?'"


York don't have an Academy or the off field infrastructure in place, we do. Ditto London and Newcastle though they do have academies but it would be interesting, especially in Londons case, just how secure a deal they have with their landlords.

What this is showing to me is that our BOD's seem to have anticipated what was coming much better than some others - most notably our neighbours over the common.

In fact I'd be furious if I were a Cas fan, because their BOD's seem determined to stick to the principle that on field results alone will save them.

No Academy, a ground that is now quite some way behind ours and IMHO at least five years off happening. Yet they still seem to spend every penny on players - ditto Salford.

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