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| Quote: jools "
It's difficult to argue with your logic here, massive problems with the fans split on whom to blame wish I had the answers like you appear to have, what I can't get my head round is your sudden concern for the plight of our club when for years you've shown nothing but open contempt for our club not forgetting the ridicule shown by you when Mr Davey not for the first time reached for the cheque book to take advantage of our financial plight by offering our players the moon on a stick, anyway enough said go get the kids off to school and get the housework done, and thank you for the input btw
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| Quote: Trinhomeandaway "It's Mr Carter's job !!!!
What do.you think would happen to a CEO in any other business that didn't bring in any investment and just allowed the business to die'"
Hello there
In answer to your question unless your trying to catch me out or you genuinely don't know, I would imagine he would join the ranks of the unemployed, unless you have another theory.
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| Quote: chissitt "Hello there
100% correct but all you seem to read on here is that there is nobody willing to invest,people.seem to forget that one of his roles as CEO is to get the investment or to employ people who can get the investment.
We are a massive city compared to nearly all the other clubs and can't bring in the money needed !!!
After around 40 years of watching this club I have never seen it in such a bad state.
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| Quote: lampyboy "MAYBE Mr Carter should get in touch with Mr davey to see we're he's going wrong.'"
Not that I actually give a toss either way, but isn't it a chap called Thewlis what runs shudds? Mr Daley's job is to provide the wedge, I'm sure Jools will be along shortly to explain it from the thread to the needle.
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| Quote: jools "Should have given it Anderson in the first place. No nonsense. Will get the defence sorted out, get the forwards working well, you won’t get anything fancy but you will get simple and effective. He will be able to put something in place quickly that will work with the players you have. It’s not champagne rugby but it wins games. And the players will respect him.'"
So you are saying Anderson should have taken over from Chester 3 year ago that was when the The **** started to come to Wakefield
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| The lack of repercussions amongst the squad members over the years has really come home to roost , along with poor signings and retentions obviously. Instead of moulding a fighting force and having Belle Vue as a fortress ,we are more akin to being run like a holiday club where teams come to pick up easy points without breaking sweat for the most part . This simply can’t carry on whatever division we find ourselves in , because if/when we drop down a level we will continue to have that lack of winning attitude and mental toughness as the few quality players we have go to find pastures new .We need picking up by the scruff of the neck and ring the changes asap before we fall into the abyss never to return to the top flight and while our years away lingering in the bowls of RL
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| Quote: Trinhomeandaway "100% correct but all you seem to read on here is that there is nobody willing to invest, people seem to forget that one of his roles as CEO is to get the investment or to employ people who can get the investment.
We are a massive city compared to nearly all the other clubs and can't bring in the money needed !!!
After around 40 years of watching this club I have never seen it in such a bad state.'"
Quite right, but those words aren't coming out of the mouth of Carter, he's an accountant and as such can never have enough money, it's the nature of the beast which goes with the job, I'm sure he's doing a good job but the question is, is it good enough, not for some it would seem, pricewise everything shooting up through one thing or another, but whichever way you perceive him to be doing his job good or bad, I would imagine he just cannot go to the sponsors and demand more money because the club like everybody else is having to pay a higher price, I've no doubt the sponsors have the same problems, so maybe it's a little unfair to criticise too much.
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| Quote: chissitt "Quite right, but those words aren't coming out of the mouth of Carter, he's an accountant and as such can never have enough money, it's the nature of the beast which goes with the job, I'm sure he's doing a good job but the question is, is it good enough, not for some it would seem, pricewise everything shooting up through one thing or another, but whichever way you perceive him to be doing his job good or bad, I would imagine he just cannot go to the sponsors and demand more money because the club like everybody else is having to pay a higher price, I've no doubt the sponsors have the same problems, so maybe it's a little unfair to criticise too much.'"
But this is his job to do and get what is needed
This is a business like any other buisness,can you imagine any other business that needs some investment to remain at the top table in its field just turning round and saying "unfortunately nobody will put any money in so we will just drift into oblivion ".
If this was a supermarket,chainstore or in fact any other type of buisness the CEO must get the investment or get people in who can get the investment,it really is as simple as that
It's the CEO's job to do this and if they can't we all know what would happen anywhere else
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| Quote: PopTart "Actually, it only has to be on the scale of when Willie took over!?'"
Yes your right PT, but I'm now of the opinion it's extremely unlikely to happen with Willie at the helm. I honestly think he's lost the players - he simply can't be coaching them as they are playing - so they are not listening to him or afraid of repercussions.
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| Quote: Trinhomeandaway "100% correct but all you seem to read on here is that there is nobody willing to invest,people.seem to forget that one of his roles as CEO is to get the investment or to employ people who can get the investment.
We are a massive city compared to nearly all the other clubs and can't bring in the money needed !!!
After around 40 years of watching this club I have never seen it in such a bad state.'"
I think that you have a rather convenient memory, when you look back at the last 40 years
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| Quote: 1315trinity "Yes your right PT, but I'm now of the opinion it's extremely unlikely to happen with Willie at the helm. I honestly think he's lost the players - he simply can't be coaching them as they are playing - so they are not listening to him or afraid of repercussions.'"
I didn't mean that he would. Just that it doesn't gave to ve Craig Bellamy.
This team and this coach are capable. They just aren't making it work now. I wish I (and more importantly they) knew why.
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| Quote: Trinhomeandaway "
After around 40 years of watching this club I have never seen it in such a bad state.'"
We've been near dead at least 3 times in the last 20 years!
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "We've been near dead at least 3 times in the last 20 years!'"
At least. Both in points in the league and administration.
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| Quote: Kettykat "The lack of repercussions amongst the squad members over the years has really come home to roost , along with poor signings and retentions obviously. Instead of moulding a fighting force and having Belle Vue as a fortress ,we are more akin to being run like a holiday club where teams come to pick up easy points without breaking sweat for the most part . This simply can’t carry on whatever division we find ourselves in , because if/when we drop down a level we will continue to have that lack of winning attitude and mental toughness as the few quality players we have go to find pastures new .We need picking up by the scruff of the neck and ring the changes asap before we fall into the abyss never to return to the top flight and while our years away lingering in the bowls of RL'"
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| Quote: Trinhomeandaway "But this is his job to do and get what is needed
This is a business like any other buisness,can you imagine any other business that needs some investment to remain at the top table in its field just turning round and saying "unfortunately nobody will put any money in so we will just drift into oblivion ".
If this was a supermarket,chainstore or in fact any other type of buisness the CEO must get the investment or get people in who can get the investment,it really is as simple as that
It's the CEO's job to do this and if they can't we all know what would happen anywhere else'"
100k a year on Tom Lineham and or Gaskall. Or employ more bodies to help run the club?
Don't get me wrong I know Carter's hands are tied and he does his best. But subtle things could well help. Sometimes getting help in areas where you need help is an absolute god send. It then allows you to do the things you are good at.
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