So basically then anybody that does not agree with you and the rest of swag and it's associates are trolls and their opinions dismissed out of hand simply because they're tired of listening to the same old propaganda.

Complaining about people's efforts achieve nothing however I haven't seen many complaining about the time and effort that individuals have put in its more about the feed back from all the meetings that have been attended.
It's understandable that the lack of information will cause frustration and question what the hells going on. For people to give up their own time to attend the meeting just goes to show how passionate people can be , but I totally understand how difficult it could be to thank people and congratulate them for their efforts when you have no idea what's going on.

Chisset,yes I agree mate some information of what's going on is vital ,no I'm not a troll just a fan who cares

Sums it up perfectly for me

Keep the faith Phil, Wouldnt blame you if you did quit with all the grief you get on here. 100% behind you all the way.

Nailed it.

It's not really that hard - we know that TRB et al are representing the trust and 95% of Wakey fans at these meetings. We know that the meetings will be taking place

I'd love to know all the ins and outs but if they say they cant divulge for the good of the negotiatiion, then they cant divulge. Why is it so hard to accept?

Well done to those guys for actually getting off their backside and trying to make something happen, even if it doesn't end in success, then at least they can say they had a go, rather than just sit at a keyboard whinging about lack of progress like some on here.

The total lack of feedbacks the major problem not the effort people that have a passion have put in. I have never been in the new stadium at Newmarket camp and to be totally honest couldn't give a toss if it gets built or not.
I would also never have a go at people who give up time on a voluntary basis to fight a cause they feel they have to fight but because of my lack of interested the outcome is totally irrelevant to me.
For people who back a new stadium at Newmarket and are frustrated at the information they receive it's totally understandable the backlash that gets circulated..

Yes, well done to those guys for actually getting of their backsides and trying to make a difference, I'm sure everybody on here are proud of them and applaud their efforts, and as you say if it all comes to nothing at least they can say they've given it their best shot, if you'd care to look through the thread nobody has disagreed with you or complained about the lack of progress made, that being the nub of the matter, nobody knows what progress is being made which in turn is causing frustration to some fans myself included who aren't whinging as you put it, but merely voicing their opinion of the lack of information available, but if it suits you to change what's written in front of you to suit your argument then fill your boots squire.

I get the frustration, but why take it out on TRB etc, with the "if u havent got anything to say, then sod off" type comments? Surely its preferable to have reassurances that meetings are still taking place rather than people thinking its just ground to a shuddering halt?

Whether you'd call them whinging or not there's been a couple of y comments aimed at TRB.

On topic whether we end up moving or not, I think everyone can agree owning the ground again as a back up is very important to our future.

End of the day we all want a stadium fit for purpose for Wakefield and hopefully after a long hard battle we will end up getting one.

Basically no - and you know it.

It's not what he said it's how he said it, and I'm surprised you condone that.

We are all frustrated and I have had a recent run in with TRB myself. However there is a world of difference between that and making it personal as gower did.

It's not that he's totally wrong - he isn't -but if we start fighting amongst ourselves and people like TRB walk away - and I would if I was him - then what slim chances we have disappear forever. I'm sorry if he's a mate of yours but he was utterly out of order with that post, TRB is a genuinely nice guy who gets nothing out of this except an ulcer and he didn't deserve it. He's not above questioning but at least keep it polite, surely that's fair.

Also strikes me as odd (and I don't wish to fall out with you over it) but why is the heat directed at TRB and why is it TRB's propaganda. At the end of the day he's just a fans representative, Michael Carter and Rodney Walker are far bigger players in this than TRB so why are people not venting their spleen on them?

I will however make one more plea to TRB - stop posting on this subject until you have some real news, good or bad - at the moment everything you say will be open to misinterpretation.

Now I look forward to you lambasting me next time I see you

This is the crux.

I would also add, to others FFS, stop asking what's the latest! If there's anything worth telling I'm sure it will be out within hours.