I'd love to give you the correct answer but Im not sure to be honest as things may have changed. I'll give you an honest answer and that was after the meeting I walked away feeling a little let down. Ferres agreed with Griffins attitude but didnt want the hassle of this hanging over the club all for something that they hadnt done. I didnt want the clubs support but I felt the way they moved the goalposts in terms of cancelling the fanzine and stopping me selling it in the ground was a bit of a stab in the back.

The game itself has declined over the years. Many supporters will argue that the product has got better but in reality it hasnt. Ticket prices have gone up to at least £20 a pop, fuel has increased so travel to games has become more expensive. I'll give Wakefield their dues for putting on other entertainment etc.. to attract the fans and the crowds have increased since the new regime took over but at the time of my support on the field it was dire. Then with the whole no relegation saga, the usual heated derbies between Wakefield vs Castleford which will stay in my memories forver as some of the best games ever encountered for the tension and well the results, became just another game. Another 2 points, it didnt matter who won in reality anymore than it did if we played London at home. Neither team were going to get relegated and it just wasnt the same anymore.

I was in a pub last month, watching the football minding my own business. The new season was about to start and somebody asked another guy if he was going to the game, his answer... "Why should I pay £20 or even £50 for me and the family to go watch a game freezing my nads off etc... when I can sit in the luxury of my own home, crack open a can and spark a fag without a care in the world, while watching the game on my 50 inch HD telly !!".

Every other week, Ive got somebody asking me if Im coming back, my best mate asks me all the time, offering me a free spare ticket, Ive never once taken him up on the opportunity. I dont know why, but ultimately I just dont have the passion anymore that was once fuelled travelling round the grounds as an 18 year old watching Wakefield dominate Division 1, the Fev game, the promo and all the highs and lows that SL battles brought. Ive had fun times, Ive had bad times, but ultimately they are just a distant memory.

The whole Griffin saga was probably just the cap on the candle that ended the flame.

No need to remain nameless, I was the tarter upper - as I was for just about any pre AG printed stuff.

I can't comment on most of the Griffin stuff as I wasn't there and I've made my feelings clear.

However WTF was a shame, it was a real Fanzine unlike 4foxsake which was good but fully aligned to the club which was never a secret.

I saw both issues in advance (obviously) and although not to my taste I saw nothing in either that seemed wrong to me, typical fanzine stuff really. The only thing that caught us both unawares was the fact the Solomona's kiddy was on the cover shot of issue 2 and apparently we needed permission for that - something we did by mistake and were genuinly sorry for. Other than that there was the issue with selling it in the ground and on that I fully appreciated the club couldn't allow that without prior editing. You understandably didn't want that so all it did was limit your sales opportunities. Funny thing is now you'd sell it via ebay and facebook etc or via a blog.

It really is a shame it failed because much as I enjoyed doing 4fox sake with Benny and the rest we were always a bit constrained. Be nice to see you back as this team may not be the best but in most games they show spirit, give it a wirl. As for WTF we still need a real fanzine and always will and I'm still here to help so long as I feel it's within the realms of decency etc.

Finally you can moan and groan all you want but none of your confrontation match the mothers backlash I and especially Feline received for my infamous Cheerleaders article in Issue 1 of 4foxsake. That was more like a fatwa and I'd rather fight Griffin any day

Yes, your right in many ways. Children dont come cheap !!

A normal game for me, would be £100. Most of that money was wasted on beer and betting on the game, but home or away I'd spend £100 each game. I might have made it all back and some more a few weeks with a winner but ultimately it was £100. The club probably saw £50 of that each game and thats without any admission knocked off because of the season ticket. Id wake up on Monday, check the bank balance and think well was it worth it yesterday ? Having watched probably 20% of the match and spent more time chatting to friends / old players etc... The answer was no. The money could be put elsewhere in terms of bringing up a child and whereas before Id argue the toss with the wife that I had to go watch Wakefield, the answer slowly became a "Well I cant be bothered watching it today, so Im not going".

Sad I know, especially with some of the tales from the away games including been outside that sports bar in Perpignan etc...

Sports bar in Perpignan.....I could tell some tails about those days!!
But maybe that's another thread!

It's good to disagree Poptart!
Don't know how to do mini quotes so i'll just answer you.
Yes it's obviously my preferred way or i'd have tw*tted someone in the last 35 years, I've got a vile temper when roused but i'm a lover not a fighter and the wife says i'm not much good at the lovin side.
Turning the cheek, you shouldn't need to. Absolutely right mate but I just take the moral high ground on that one.

I was trying to track you down a few months back. Weve reformed in a little way, not sure in what form yet as the game has changed in a big way since our days. We had a one off game against the current lot of players at the back end of last year which was fun. Hunt down Wakefield Webcat Legends on Facebook if your on and you'll get to know if anything progresses this year in terms of rekindled games against the old guard as its the 10 year anniversary this year.

I think I know who you mean. Stunning figure, redhead (nutty in colour) and a good dancer to boot.

BTW - Great few posts there Ronaldo6.

I like a good drink as much as anyone but I never drink before or during the game. However when the match is over I don't mind having a good skinfull especially after a win. Can't see the point of blowing money on the they sell at most grounds and missing parts of the game you have paid to see due to visits to the bog.

I sound like a gambling alcoholic !! Maybe I am !!

Home games - Id go to the game with a group of friends. We would either meet at Weatherspoons at 12pm and start there before moving on to the game. It latterly moved to meeting in a pub in Normy at a similar time and again making our way to the game from there. The friends were brilliant, some amazing times. We'd go to the Con Club before and after the game to either celebrate the win or drown our sorrows. Drinking in the ground wasnt always a norm though. The beer was watered down garbage in all fairness (dont know if still is) but one person goes to the bar, normally the rest will follow. Plus when youve had a good drink, your more than likely going to continue than having a break for a couple of hours. All my money didnt just go on beer within the ground though, Id buy a programme, a fanzine (one of the others), a golden gamble, Id chuck money into the collections, I just did my bit to help the club as at the time it was my club. Id stand as passionate as anyone in the famous corner of the ground and watch the whole game and support the team till the end. It was only after the "meeting" and when I lost a little faith that I lost the will to stand in the corner. Id watch from there and think, god this is boring. In the John Kear 5 Drives And A Kick era it was terrible. Dont get me wrong, he saved the club and will never be forgotten for that but eventually his mentality and direction on the pitch lead us to playing a game that as poor as it could be. I began to watch from behind the sticks in the bar there, and slowly began to watch the game as the crowd got a little louder and you knew something was happening. I moved upto Cats bar, the beer got no better and neither did the performances on the pitch. Again, Id catch up with whoever I saw in there as I probably knew most, Id watch the game a little and still think it was boring. We'd score, instead of cheering it was a simple "oh good". It just became intolerable really. I stopped going eventually, my mate would text me at half time "should be glad you didnt come, its **** !"

Away games - Similar, started in a boozer and jump in a minibus to where ever. If we got there on time, we'd hit a pub near the ground, if we were struggling we'd go straight to the game. Friday away games became expensive, half days holiday at work just to be able to set off on time etc, plus entrance & minibus fee, it wasnt cheap. The performances were probably a little better to be honest, the strong contigent of away fans were always good fun to be around. When we won in some of the bigger grounds, hairs would stand on your neck, youd be closer to tears. Wigan away & that Solomona try was a prime example of that. Id been to every away ground in SL including France over the years but ultimately I just lost the faith.

I still enjoy the sport, I still watch and listen to the games but I know I dont have the same desire I once had. I'll be open and say Ive attending more Leeds Rhinos games than Wakefield in the past three years. I hate Leeds, but I got the odd freebie over the years so Id stand with the away fans, Wigan, Warrington, Salford etc... I took my daughter to Leeds vs Salford a few weeks back (freebie), she is 5. On the way she was like "we are going to watch the LEEDS RHINOS daddy", "Yes darling, but were not Leeds, were Wakefield". She looked at me puzzled !! It was dire, she got bored faster than me, we left after 40 minutes as the idea of a Macdonalds Happy Meal was more appetizing to her than watching the 2nd half, I didnt disagree either.

That never happened according to revisionist history.

Watched a certain webcats v hull at BV recently, took me back.