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| Quote: bren2k "I agree - in the past couple of hours, they've revealed the extent of the Bulls debts (£1.5 million) and said that all the players will be free to talk to other clubs when the deal is ratified. Looks to me like they're preparing to let them start again in a lower league, ready for another run at SL from 2015 onwards.
The RFL should never have let themselves get embroiled in this ridiculous situation, but if you were feeling charitable, you might consider that they're making the best of a bad situation; getting rid of the shonky consortia, seeing off Mr Guilfoyle and propping the Bulls up on a temporary basis so they can see out the season.
Going forward, I would hope for several things, not least that they learn to exercise proper scrutiny of club finances during the licence process and, when they discover that all is not well, that they avoid attempting to dupe the RL community with lies and double-talk as a way of preserving the pretense of how wonderful they are; as much as we felt badly done to at the time, the RFL's total lack of interest in our plight has turned out to be the best thing that could have happened to us - perhaps they should cut loose every club that gets into difficulty, regardless of who they are?
I'd also suggest that Big Nige has once again failed to cover himself in glory - the most significant and meaningful thing the RFL could do is have a massive clear-out and get some people in with the vision, drive and acumen to take the sport forward, from grassroots right up to SL.'"
As usual Bere, very eloquently put and I agree totally with what you are saying.
For me, it is now time to revert to promotion/ relegation, even if this means minimum standards being set for teams seeking to progress.
The teams who are "qualified" should be known from the outset or when they are known to be "ready" for promotion and from SL ANY team who finishes bottom should go, regardless of their perceived value to the competition.
Now is the time for some clarity and transparency within the sport and lets do away with trying to contrive a "super" league
At this point in time, most RL fans are embarrassed by the Bulls fiasco, some are disaffected by the lack of genuine promotion and who knows what the wider sporting public think of our game. ![Embarassed icon_surprised.gifops:](images/smilies//icon_redface.gif)
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| Quote: GET EM ON SIDE REF "I am totally and utterly disgusted by this it is a total farce
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I have not fallen out with Wakefield but I have finished with Super League I will attend all 5 games we have left but that is my lot I am finished with the farce that is Super League was going to renew my season ticket on Saturday but not now after 37 seasons I will be buying a season ticket at Batley where I will watch a team without the same passion I have for Wakefield
[sizeSuper League can go to hell [/size'"
WOW!! I've seen some overreactions but hell. ![BOOHOO eusa_boohoo.gif](images/smilies//eusa_boohoo.gif) Committed much?
Don't fall over your handbag on the way out...
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| i can understand the reason why the rfl want bradford to fulfill their fixtures for this season (protect the integrity of the competition etc.) however the next stage is/ will be the intersting one..
if they do "relegate" the bulls, the team they bring in will not be ready for superleague, neither by the playing staff or the background/support services required.
although nice for the fans to be promoted, it would be unfair for a club to be promoted without been allowed the time to plan. Widnes are an example - they had time to plan, and it has taken them most of the season to get up to speed.
also as if muted, how can bradford bulls newco be promoted back into superleague without the necessary "history" and success required on the field?
and, for the next round of franchises (assuming the current criteria stand), will the superleague reduce the number of teams by getting rid of the ones that are not financially stable (assuming they actually look at the books)?
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| Quote: GET EM ON SIDE REF "I am totally and utterly disgusted by this it is a total farce
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I have not fallen out with Wakefield but I have finished with Super League I will attend all 5 games we have left but that is my lot I am finished with the farce that is Super League was going to renew my season ticket on Saturday but not now after 37 seasons I will be buying a season ticket at Batley where I will watch a team without the same passion I have for Wakefield
[sizeSuper League can go to hell [/size'"
I totally agree to your sentiments but I'm afraid we have to except that if bulls go down the pan its not helping the game in general
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "This deal, however unpalatable is starting to look like a deal to the end of the season, followed by almost certain "relegation" and on this basis it allows the completion of the seasons fixture list.
There may be some interesting decisions ahead, if the Bulls make the top 8, aside from that we should let them go quietly.
It is an astonishing decision by our governing body and it seems incomprehensible that this would occur in any other sport but, it certainly isnt going to stop me watching Wakefield Trinity, not now, not ever !
Together we are stronger !'"
deffo THIS ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Bradford will be in the championship or championship 1 next yeat
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| Quote: Sandal Cat "Totally agree with your sentiment, I feel the same way and feel the same way about the RFL. I only support my Club, I will not go to any England games, RL Challenge Cup games not involing my team etc. etc.
But I will continue to support the Club I've loved for almost 50 years and will continue to do so and those at Red hall aren't going to stop me whatever they do.
It's infuriating I agree but don't give up on something you've loved for 37 years just because of this, you must have too much history just to let it go.'"
This is my stance on it. The inequalities and favouritism shown by the governing body leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth. But i'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face and stop watching my club. But theres no way i'll be putting any money into internationals, magic weekends and the like. I'd rather just spend extra in the club shop or at the bar. Rugby league is a great game but its run by imbeciles.
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| Quote: bren2k "they've revealed the extent of the Bulls debts (£1.5 million)'"
So if the RFL hadn't acquired the lease to write of a previous debt and then advance a further £550k and the fans hadn't raise £500k then this debt would have stood at £3.25Million
And only 12 months prior to all this they were given a grade B license
I'm saying no more on this, other than I'm glad a deal has come forward and some of the parasites are now not connected to the future of BB but the RFL have not exactly performed well here ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif)
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| Quote: financialtimes "So if the RFL hadn't acquired the lease to write of a previous debt and then advance a further £550k and the fans hadn't raise £500k then this debt would have stood at £3.25Million
Spot on, iconic or what??????????
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| I'm going to stick up for the RFL on this one.
They are seeing a big club in trouble, and the administrator trying to sell a deal that the RFL don't like. The RFL have said that they cannot guarantee which division they will play in, but it seems obvious that they want to take the Bulls away from the scheming and the dealing that is going on, that is perhaps more related to a prime piece of real estate than it is to a rugby club.
It never became an issue for us, because there were buyers floating fairly early on, and those buyers were content to carry on in the Championship. ABC said that they weren't.
A canny piece of work by those in charge to keep land predators away from a heritage club and ensure it can rebuild from below. In terms of Blackpool, were there any buyers at all? In terms of us and Widnes, there were buyers willing to continue in the Championship. The RFL are looking for the same for the Bulls. A good piece of work that has taken the initiative away from those with perhaps motives unrelated to rugby league.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "I'm going to stick up for the RFL on this one.
They are seeing a big club in trouble, and the administrator trying to sell a deal that the RFL don't like. The RFL have said that they cannot guarantee which division they will play in, but it seems obvious that they want to take the Bulls away from the scheming and the dealing that is going on, that is perhaps more related to a prime piece of real estate than it is to a rugby club.
It never became an issue for us, because there were buyers floating fairly early on, and those buyers were content to carry on in the Championship. ABC said that they weren't.
A canny piece of work by those in charge to keep land predators away from a heritage club and ensure it can rebuild from below. In terms of Blackpool, were there any buyers at all? In terms of us and Widnes, there were buyers willing to continue in the Championship. The RFL are looking for the same for the Bulls. A good piece of work that has taken the initiative away from those with perhaps motives unrelated to rugby league.'"
If the ABC consortiums plan was all about getting hold of Odsal they wouldn't be interested in which division they were playing in though would they ?
It would be easier to stipulate that getting hold of the lease off the RFL was their priority, operate in NL1 with lower playing costs, then move the team out of Odsal and then sell to build an Akbars or housing on the site.
I still think something doesn't add up with their plans but, like you say, the most important thing is their intentions weren't right and protection from these predators is what the SL (E) buy-out was intended to do.
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| Is it true that all Bulls players have been told they are free agents at end of season? If true this says to me they are in championship next year even though bailed out by clubs. Maybe that's why clubs agreed to it and made sure this seasons points weren't made a farce of and that Bradford accept their fate for next year.
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Quote: supercat "Is it true that all Bulls players have been told they are free agents at end of season? If true this says to me they are in championship next year even though bailed out by clubs. Maybe that's why clubs agreed to it and made sure this seasons points weren't made a farce of and that Bradford accept their fate for next year.'"
Sound like it when you read this:-
www.bullbuilder.co.uk/NewsItem.a ... d887bf5c2c
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Quote: supercat "Is it true that all Bulls players have been told they are free agents at end of season? If true this says to me they are in championship next year even though bailed out by clubs. Maybe that's why clubs agreed to it and made sure this seasons points weren't made a farce of and that Bradford accept their fate for next year.'"
Sound like it when you read this:-
www.bullbuilder.co.uk/NewsItem.a ... d887bf5c2c
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| If true the deal probably suits all parties and removes a big headache for the RFL and the clubs and also bradford. Even if in championship at least the club will exist and if the right buyer comes in then they can enter superleague again.
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| Quote: Tigerade "If the ABC consortiums plan was all about getting hold of Odsal they wouldn't be interested in which division they were playing in though would they ?
It would be easier to stipulate that getting hold of the lease off the RFL was their priority, operate in NL1 with lower playing costs, then move the team out of Odsal and then sell to build an Akbars or housing on the site.
I still think something doesn't add up with their plans but, like you say, the most important thing is their intentions weren't right and protection from these predators is what the SL (E) buy-out was intended to do.'"
The Odsal is like a safety net though for them though. Redevelop parts of it, and there was talk of doing something with part of it, and if they can't make money from the club, move it somewhere else and develop Odsal.
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