They’ve certainly got the worst platform to work from.

True, I didn't see the game this weekend but if its been anything like recent one's then there would have been no chance for them to get into the game. They can't control a game from inside their own 30m.

But I agree with poor tackling...there's no excuse for that in professional RL

Must agree Smith cant kick to save his life but to be fair we need the pack to set the platform and the pack is too light so we are screwed this season

Title for discussion should be 'Front Row' or 'Lightest Pack' not half backs.

We keep targeting the half backs when we all know we need an additional 2 proven Super League Quality genuine props to help win the collision which we lose virtually every week putting our half backs under immense pressure.

Amor & Wilkes are spot on but if we had players like Tom Burgess & Roy Asotasi as well I think we'd be in the top 6. We have got some good players that should be retained for next season and that includes Tim Smith & Isaac John.

Smith had a shocker the 2nd half for me but he offers a lot more than John. John doesn't look 1 bit a pro rugby league player, im seriously worried with how hopeless he looks. He won't have come cheap the guy is a joke. His kicking reminds me of a father kicking the ball for his 5 year old son to catch in the park its appauling. Smith can do more and with a platform he will look good but far as im concerned john is a real worry .

I don't think John is on a much as you think. He was an unknown and unproven before we signed him. He's got a 3 year deal as he's a project player rather than a full proven player.

Sorry but we shouldn't be flying a player halfway round the world and using a quota space on a 'project' player. And whilst he won't be the best paid player in the squad he won't have come over for peanuts. We need him to start performing.

We need the biggest part of them to start doing the job they get well paid for Smith can certainly pass a ball when hes on top form but we need a half who is prepared to take the line on and create space for others.It might look good throwing the ball about but by the time it gets to the wingers we aint made much ground.We need someone who can take us round the park and when needed take the game by the scruff of the neck.

There are loads of project players in the lower leagues. Why waste a quota spot on a project player from the other side of the world?

Who would you play at stand off then? Or more to the point who was available and would have signed?

After watching last night we are not the only club who need 2 halfbacks Leeds have the pack to match anyone and the pace in the centre and wings but they have nothing special in the halves or fullback for that matter

There's little doubt that Warringtons big forwards out-muscled our guys on Sunday. Carvell is a great prop and he had the likes of Wood and Hill alonside him, thankfully Morley was missing. Amor was good, gave his all and he did make yards, as did Raleigh. Johnson was better then I have seen him this season but his progress forward was quickly halted.
As for the half backs, probably they are behind a beaten pack week after week and it must be hard to be creative on that basis but how I wish we could find another Toppo or Poynton, somebody who could break the opposition line! I don't know if this kind of thing is coached out of them or we just don't find that calibre of player. Astute passing is great if you have a player in the right place at the right time and travelling with purpose. To pass to a player as our halves do rarely creates anything and is frankly predictive and boring!
Some talk of the old days prior to the great SL being boring but there was more artistry and creativity then than there is now!

It worked with Henry Paul - sadly I can't see it in this case.

We didn't initially dole out a three year contract for Paul, you just don't for 'projects' in case they don't work. Thats why I don't believe that John was bought as a project but as a genuine key first team player. Its just a case of he ain't shown any signs of being good enough. I hope he settles quickly and improves to a point he can be spoke about in the same breath as Henry Paul but right now I have serious doubts about that.

If anything with a one year deal, and given his past issues, Tim Smith is the project as if it doesn't work then its goodbye at the end of the season with no pay off required.