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| Given the position that we find ourselves in, and the respective positions of both Castleford and Featherstone, should we be looking at having a fully integrated joint academy and junior set-up between the three clubs. Call it the Calder academy or something
This is about protecting our young lads coming through the system and keeping them local instead of losing them to other clubs or losing them from the game completely, especially as over the next few seasons its looking like there could be a bit of switching between the leagues between our three local teams.
It would also bring a positive cost benefit to all of the clubs as it would be cheaper to run a single large set-up rather than three smaller ones which fluctuate a lot
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| If we wanted to go even further, we could have the WF Academy and include Dewsbury and Batley in it too, using all of the local clubs for both inreach and outreach into the community.
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| Why not, we were basically guided towards having an academy as part of being in the remit of being super league and now we’re informed by igm that it’s not relevant according to their grading system.
Screwed the little clubs that had to find funds for this even with grants it’s took money out of our budgets.
Then the infighting for each player though lol
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| Quote: Egg Banjo "Given the position that we find ourselves in, and the respective positions of both Castleford and Featherstone, should we be looking at having a fully integrated joint academy and junior set-up between the three clubs. Call it the Calder academy or something
This is about protecting our young lads coming through the system and keeping them local instead of losing them to other clubs or losing them from the game completely, especially as over the next few seasons its looking like there could be a bit of switching between the leagues between our three local teams.
It would also bring a positive cost benefit to all of the clubs as it would be cheaper to run a single large set-up rather than three smaller ones which fluctuate a lot'"
Didn't work for Hull, won't work for us.
Also, out of the 3 WMDC clubs, Trinity is the most productive and successful development pathway - why would we seek to piggy-back the other 2?
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| Quote: dboy "Didn't work for Hull, won't work for us.
Also, out of the 3 WMDC clubs, Trinity is the most productive and successful development pathway - why would we seek to piggy-back the other 2?'"
Because if/when we drop down, we will no longer be one of the more productive pathways. Most of our young talent will end up getting poached by clubs with more finances or better prospects
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| Quote: comeontrinity "Why not, we were basically guided towards having an academy as part of being in the remit of being super league and now we’re informed by igm that it’s not relevant according to their grading system.
Screwed the little clubs that had to find funds for this even with grants it’s took money out of our budgets.
Then the infighting for each player though lol'"
I don't think there'd necessarily be much infighting. There's lots of ways that it could be set up so that it was largely avoided, and would give good progression/regression throughout the league ladder for youngsters of varying talent so that they can be kept within one structure to train and develop with their peers
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| Can't see the point myself, the way this club is going we will only be developing talent for others. Sticking to past it journey men seems to be the new policy
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| No point having an Academy. Look at the IMG proposal, you get no points for running one!
Might as well do what Salford do, save our money and buy a Brodie Croft when they become available.
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| Quote: vastman "No point having an Academy. Look at the IMG proposal, you get no points for running one!
Might as well do what Salford do, save our money and buy a Brodie Croft when they become available.'"
I don't think it works like that. I think you have to have an academy and ladies team as a base requirement for an A
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| Quote: PopTart "I don't think it works like that. I think you have to have an academy and ladies team as a base requirement for an A'"
Afraid it does. I'll name drop here but I was talking to JM just last night and he said it's not in the draft proposal. I think it's 18 points available in total. You actually get a quarter of a point for an electric screen but nothing for running an academy. Apparently it's on the RFL website. I have not checked myself but I doubt he's wrong. Of course it's only a draft proposal at present.
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| Quote: vastman "No point having an Academy. Look at the IMG proposal, you get no points for running one!
Might as well do what Salford do, save our money and buy a Brodie Croft when they become available.'"
I think the may well have been the final straw for MC, for the past few years he’s always praised the Trinity Academy set up, even saying it cost £100,000 a year, he believed an Academy was a vital part of the criteria, and must have been gutted when the criteria details came out. I did listen to a rugby programme Monday night, a few clubs think it’s unfair that some clubs not spending money on academy, there was the suggestion of possibly awarding points for an Academy from the points of one of the other gradings. Still hope I suppose.
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| Quote: vastman "Afraid it does. I'll name drop here but I was talking to JM just last night and he said it's not in the draft proposal. I think it's 18 points available in total. You actually get a quarter of a point for an electric screen but nothing for running an academy. Apparently it's on the RFL website. I have not checked myself but I doubt he's wrong. Of course it's only a draft proposal at present.'"
I've just reread it. Although it doesn't say academy, it says there will be minimum criteria and says as an example, a Grade A must run a ladies team.
So I might be wrong about academy, but there is a minimum criteria.
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| Quote: Dunkirk Spirit "I think the may well have been the final straw for MC, for the past few years he’s always praised the Trinity Academy set up, even saying it cost £100,000 a year, he believed an Academy was a vital part of the criteria, and must have been gutted when the criteria details came out. I did listen to a rugby programme Monday night, a few clubs think it’s unfair that some clubs not spending money on academy, there was the suggestion of possibly awarding points for an Academy from the points of one of the other gradings. Still hope I suppose.'"
Makes a mockery of the whole process. I thought the whole idea of bringing IMG in was to improve our chances of competing against the Australians amongst other things. I'd say it was a huge priority and was worth at least a point, maybe more.
If it isn't added the first thing I'd do is scrap our academy, stop trying to be a community club and just spend it all on Aussies. It's totally wrong for the game, but looking at Salford it's almost certainly right for the club all things considered.
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| Quote: PopTart "I've just reread it. Although it doesn't say academy, it says there will be minimum criteria and says as an example, a Grade A must run a ladies team.
So I might be wrong about academy, but there is a minimum criteria.'"
You can call it that but having no points it has no value, it's meaningless and contradictory. If you get the max points or near max points then you will remain in SL, Academy or no Academy. The only teams that will be affected are teams trying to gain access to SL in future as far as I can see. This is why suddenly clubs like Fev are joining Keighley in opposition and some SL clubs are questioning this particular issue.
Only a consultancy could come up with the logic that a screen is worth a 1/4 of a point but is can be worth 1/2 a point if you also install digital perimeter advertising, yet a youth team gets you zero - utterly bizarre imho.
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| Quote: vastman "No point having an Academy. Look at the IMG proposal, you get no points for running one!
Might as well do what Salford do, save our money and buy a Brodie Croft when they become available.'"
Can't remember if it was 2006 7 or8 we had the super league academy champions remember watching play Tommy makison was playing with saints currie with warringtonwatkons with leedsjust mentioning some of the quality that was playing at the time what happened to our lads some like mattie Willie and Kyle Trout have made a living in the game but wakefield as a club wernt prepared to develop lads who could have been the backbone of a team today
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