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| From the players & coach, it's not that they lost, it's the clueless way they lost, no effort & no organization !
If they cannot respond then regretfully, change /s has to be made !
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| My family and I have been supporters of our great club for 38 years. We have also been regular season ticket holders for the same time period as well
I have witnessed some disappointing team performances over the years (and you don’t become and remain a Trinity fan if you expect otherwise), and during that time I have never taken to social media to ventilate my frustration about a game, but I am unable to contain my sheer anger and embarrassment at today’s woeful performance which was quite frankly a disgrace.
Our club has always prided itself on its grit, team spirit and determination but there was none of that on display today. I accept that there were injuries in the game, and that obviously has an effect on the level of performance, but those injuries do not excuse the complete lack of effort and leadership from minute one of the game. The players who took to the pitch today – a virtually full strength side - were highly capable of competing with that Catalans side but they delivered up a performance devoid of effort and any attacking threat and need to take a long hard look at themselves. Whilst many rational fans can overlook a number of issues, a complete lack of effort is not one of them. If many supporters had turned up to work and put the level of effort in that those players did today, the reality is that they would be sacked or at the least be facing some kind of disciplinary process.
It is not just the players who must take responsibility for that performance but also the coaching staff because the team is seemingly incapable of executing basic rugby league skills in both attack and, on the basis of today’s performance, defence. You did not need to listen to the embarrassing Sky commentary of the game to put your finger on the issues with the performance, which have not just appeared overnight but have been gradually developing ever since John Kear’s departure from the club and have often left us, and many supporters we know, feeling more and more disheartened with the direction of the team’s approach to playing the game:
1. There was no structure in attack whatsoever and at times you could throw a blanket over the whole team in the middle of the park. It may be unfair to draw comparisons with other teams but look at Salford, a team very similar to ours in terms of the calibre of playing personnel and budget constraints, who week in week out play free flowing rugby, utilise a deep attacking line, run onto the ball and use dummy runners to confuse the defence. In far too many games our attacking line is too flat, players do not run onto the ball, the passing is laboured/misdirected and there is too much one out rugby which makes it is so easy for defenders to gang tackle and pick off our runners. We desperately need a midfield general who can organise attacking structures because we seem rudderless in attack and have done for some time.
2. The kicking on last tackle of sets is woeful. In both this game, and the Wigan game last week, we did not contest kicks and kick pressure was virtually non-existent. We also seem unable to get any appreciable distance on kick-offs compared with other teams so whilst we end up taking first tackles on our 10m line, the opposition manage to reach the 20m line before being tackled.
3. Leadership from the captain was non-existent and often seems to be. It was plain for everyone to see today that there was no leadership on the field when heads dropped and when stood under the sticks - try after try - there was little, if any, communication from the captain to the other players.
4. The defence, which has been decent and has so often kept us in games over the last couple of seasons, deserted the team today but that is not the issue which concerns so many supporters.
5. The players last week and this week look completely unfit, lethargic and uncommitted to the cause. General fitness and match fitness are different but look at the NRL teams and many other Super League clubs, who right from the restart, are competing at the level they should be.
I am no coach and don’t profess to be one; just someone who cares passionately about my club and is frustrated by regularly attending matches and seeing points 1 – 3 identified above game after game, which have been issues now for a couple of seasons. I don’t know what the answer is but maybe an attacking coach to assist Chris Chester and a half back who can marshal the team around the park. I fear that if we continue to perform like we have for the rest of the season there will be a significant reduction in season ticket numbers, supporters will fall away and attracting new fans will be extremely challenging.
I listened to Chris Chester’s post match Sky press conference and I am all for blooding the younger lads in the squad and giving them a chance to prove themselves for the rest of the season but, let’s not be under any illusions here, that is not the panacea to issues 1-3 above, which many fans perceive as fundamental problems which urgently need addressing if we are to compete and survive at the highest level.
All of my family and I have committed to forgo any refund/rebate on our season tickets and have indicated that we will purchase season tickets for next season but, unless the level of commitment that Trinity deserves from its team and coaching staff is significantly raised over the next few games, I am afraid that regrettably we will no longer be season ticket holders and will no longer be sponsors in the future. For supporters for nearly 40 years this really is not an easy thing to say but it is unfair to expect loyal fans to give up valuable time and spend significant money supporting a team not willing to put in the effort and with seemingly no pride when they put on the red, white and blue.
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| The players today just didn't look up for it. They looked flat, they looked soft and not up for a fight. There was no leadership on the pitch and it appears none off it. Games are going to come thick and fast over the next few weeks and to turn todays performance around is a big ask for the players and coaching staff. Are they capable ?, with 5 wins from the last 22 games I don't thing so.
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| Milky is no good as captain, Chester is out of ideas and has no clue how to motivate his squad, and I've no idea what Gilmore does, but it doesn't seem to be much.
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| My other team, Barnsley FC, had one or two occasions during the season just finished when they played "pretty badly", although not to the same level as today's debacle. What did the Club do? They made a public apology to all the fans and, I believe, on one particular instance they reimbursed travelling fans' expenses. I wonder if we will see any public statement from Belle Vue.
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| Quote: Redscat "My other team, Barnsley FC, had one or two occasions during the season just finished when they played "pretty badly", although not to the same level as today's debacle. What did the Club do? They made a public apology to all the fans and, I believe, on one particular instance they reimbursed travelling fans' expenses. I wonder if we will see any public statement from Belle Vue.'"
They'll just blame the fans for not backing them while they get trounced
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| Something seems so wrong with this club at the moment.
How can we go toe to toe one week, against one of the top sides over the past 30 years, and then serve up something like this.
We have a coach, with 5 wins in about 23 games, an ex NRL player as captain, who seems undroppable, despite his last half decent game 2 seasons ago.
Add to this, our self appointed CEO goes away from social media. I do recall him saying when he became chairman back in August 2013, that the club need to be more transparent.
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| Quote: Eastern Wildcat "Something seems so wrong with this club at the moment.
How can we go toe to toe one week, against one of the top sides over the past 30 years, and then serve up something like this.
We have a coach, with 5 wins in about 23 games, an ex NRL player as captain, who seems undroppable, despite his last half decent game 2 seasons ago.
Add to this, our self appointed CEO goes away from social media. I do recall him saying when he became chairman back in August 2013, that the club need to be more transparent.'"
I don’t think the club could be any more transparent. I don’t know why MC is getting flak for today.
The buck stops with Chester. For the past two years at least the rugby served up has been one dimensional.
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| Quote: dpbnov "My family and I have been supporters of our great club for 38 years. We have also been regular season ticket holders for the same time period as well
I have witnessed some disappointing team performances over the years (and you don’t become and remain a Trinity fan if you expect otherwise), and during that time I have never taken to social media to ventilate my frustration about a game, but I am unable to contain my sheer anger and embarrassment at today’s woeful performance which was quite frankly a disgrace.
Our club has always prided itself on its grit, team spirit and determination but there was none of that on display today. I accept that there were injuries in the game, and that obviously has an effect on the level of performance, but those injuries do not excuse the complete lack of effort and leadership from minute one of the game. The players who took to the pitch today – a virtually full strength side - were highly capable of competing with that Catalans side but they delivered up a performance devoid of effort and any attacking threat and need to take a long hard look at themselves. Whilst many rational fans can overlook a number of issues, a complete lack of effort is not one of them. If many supporters had turned up to work and put the level of effort in that those players did today, the reality is that they would be sacked or at the least be facing some kind of disciplinary process.
It is not just the players who must take responsibility for that performance but also the coaching staff because the team is seemingly incapable of executing basic rugby league skills in both attack and, on the basis of today’s performance, defence. You did not need to listen to the embarrassing Sky commentary of the game to put your finger on the issues with the performance, which have not just appeared overnight but have been gradually developing ever since John Kear’s departure from the club and have often left us, and many supporters we know, feeling more and more disheartened with the direction of the team’s approach to playing the game
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| Quote: Willzay "I don’t think the club could be any more transparent. I don’t know why MC is getting flak for today.
The buck stops with Chester. For the past two years at least the rugby served up has been one dimensional.'"
I guess he's getting flack because ultimately, he's one of the decision makers about where we go next, and history tells us that he's unwilling/unable to have the difficult conversations with coaching staff
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| Quote: dpbnov "My family and I have been supporters of our great club for 38 years. We have also been regular season ticket holders for the same time period as well
I have witnessed some disappointing team performances over the years (and you don’t become and remain a Trinity fan if you expect otherwise), and during that time I have never taken to social media to ventilate my frustration about a game, but I am unable to contain my sheer anger and embarrassment at today’s woeful performance which was quite frankly a disgrace.
Our club has always prided itself on its grit, team spirit and determination but there was none of that on display today. I accept that there were injuries in the game, and that obviously has an effect on the level of performance, but those injuries do not excuse the complete lack of effort and leadership from minute one of the game. The players who took to the pitch today – a virtually full strength side - were highly capable of competing with that Catalans side but they delivered up a performance devoid of effort and any attacking threat and need to take a long hard look at themselves. Whilst many rational fans can overlook a number of issues, a complete lack of effort is not one of them. If many supporters had turned up to work and put the level of effort in that those players did today, the reality is that they would be sacked or at the least be facing some kind of disciplinary process.
It is not just the players who must take responsibility for that performance but also the coaching staff because the team is seemingly incapable of executing basic rugby league skills in both attack and, on the basis of today’s performance, defence. You did not need to listen to the embarrassing Sky commentary of the game to put your finger on the issues with the performance, which have not just appeared overnight but have been gradually developing ever since John Kear’s departure from the club and have often left us, and many supporters we know, feeling more and more disheartened with the direction of the team’s approach to playing the game
An excellent post and some very good points.
There is no excusing today’s performance, it was abysmal from start to finish...we got an early warning down our right side being cut open with ease but didn’t fix it up.
I hate to point at individuals but the timing of Gigot coming in couldn’t have been worse for us...was excited to hear when he’d signed but at the moment he just hasn’t fitted in...he hasn’t earned the right to be playing full back when we’ve had Jowitt, Walker and Hampshire all play there and done much, much better over the last few seasons...if he was to come in anywhere it should have been in the halves for Brough, or even Miller!
Don’t think it’s down to fitness either because last week we finished very strongly...definitely no sign of it there IMO.
Our problem is just the basics at the moment...we’re turning over too much ball too cheaply and just can’t get on the front foot....when we complete at a high percentage and finish sets off well we’re a good side capable of beating anyone...we just haven’t done that though!
Problem is, with the new changes brought in it’s becoming a brutal game if you don’t respect possession and we’re seeing big scores because of it...just to back that up and to question your point 5 and regarding the NRL...here’s a number of results from that comp in the last 5-6 weeks..
Eels 42-4 Cowboys
Gold Coast 10-40 Cronulla
Cowboys 16-42 Roosters
St.George 34-4 Manly
Melbourne 42-6 Gold Coast
West Tigers 48-0 Brisbane
NZ Warriors 10-46 Cronulla
Brisbane 8-46 Melbourne
Manly 12-42 Penrith
Melbourne 41-10 Cantebury
Newcastle 44-4 West Tigers
Add to that just a couple of round of super league and we’ve already had scores of 34-6...14-40...40-10...54-18...0-48 and 58-0...
When you collectively put in a performance as bad as we did today the best way to answer is to put it right and if you could hand pick a fixture to do it, then a cup tie against the team who have just embarrassed you sounds the perfect one to me!
Back to basics...respect possession, run hard, tackle hard and the openings will come!
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| Just one of many one sided scorelines since Super League resumed. It seems that with a lot of clubs, once one of them gets a decent lead....game over. Obviously apart from when you guys played Wigan, and Leeds v Huddersfield. Very strange....even though there is no relegation this season.
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| Quote: dpbnov "My family and I have been supporters of our great club for 38 years. We have also been regular season ticket holders for the same time period as well
I have witnessed some disappointing team performances over the years (and you don’t become and remain a Trinity fan if you expect otherwise), and during that time I have never taken to social media to ventilate my frustration about a game, but I am unable to contain my sheer anger and embarrassment at today’s woeful performance which was quite frankly a disgrace.
Our club has always prided itself on its grit, team spirit and determination but there was none of that on display today. I accept that there were injuries in the game, and that obviously has an effect on the level of performance, but those injuries do not excuse the complete lack of effort and leadership from minute one of the game. The players who took to the pitch today – a virtually full strength side - were highly capable of competing with that Catalans side but they delivered up a performance devoid of effort and any attacking threat and need to take a long hard look at themselves. Whilst many rational fans can overlook a number of issues, a complete lack of effort is not one of them. If many supporters had turned up to work and put the level of effort in that those players did today, the reality is that they would be sacked or at the least be facing some kind of disciplinary process.
It is not just the players who must take responsibility for that performance but also the coaching staff because the team is seemingly incapable of executing basic rugby league skills in both attack and, on the basis of today’s performance, defence. You did not need to listen to the embarrassing Sky commentary of the game to put your finger on the issues with the performance, which have not just appeared overnight but have been gradually developing ever since John Kear’s departure from the club and have often left us, and many supporters we know, feeling more and more disheartened with the direction of the team’s approach to playing the game
Sorry but if you have been a Wakefield fan for 38 years and today is the time you feel you need to speak out then you need to have a reality check. Today is the only time in those years that you have felt the need to vent your frustrations is because the internet hasn't been around that long. I'm sure before that you bemoaned your teams performance in a pub etc before that but you had no platform to do so. Yes you played poor today, very poor, but all sides do. You have hammered my team (Wigan) on your own midden on more than a few occasions and have had a lot more scalps along the way. You have gone from a second rate in the lower tiers to mid table to play off challenging side in Super League those 38 years and all i can see is progress. You have started in the last 5 years at least to bring through some very good young players and have recruited very well. All sides have bad seasons. I think you need a sense of perspective of where you have been and where you are now when you look at the likes of Widnes and Bradfoed, even the likes of Halifax. 38 years ago you would have been the underdog against sides like that and now you mix it with the best of them. Don't be so knee jerk, every fan of every club wants better for their team (mine included) but it's been a strange season, let's just get it out of the way and start a fresh next term and appreciate that you are a fan of a club that has made leaps and bounds over the years with limited resources and facilities.
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| Quote: Pie_Eyter "Sorry but if you have been a Wakefield fan for 38 years and today is the time you feel you need to speak out then you need to have a reality check. Today is the only time in those years that you have felt the need to vent your frustrations is because the internet hasn't been around that long. I'm sure before that you bemoaned your teams performance in a pub etc before that but you had no platform to do so. Yes you played poor today, very poor, but all sides do. You have hammered my team (Wigan) on your own midden on more than a few occasions and have had a lot more scalps along the way. You have gone from a second rate in the lower tiers to mid table to play off challenging side in Super League those 38 years and all i can see is progress. You have started in the last 5 years at least to bring through some very good young players and have recruited very well. All sides have bad seasons. I think you need a sense of perspective of where you have been and where you are now when you look at the likes of Widnes and Bradfoed, even the likes of Halifax. 38 years ago you would have been the underdog against sides like that and now you mix it with the best of them. Don't be so knee jerk, every fan of every club wants better for their team (mine included) but it's been a strange season, let's just get it out of the way and start a fresh next term and appreciate that you are a fan of a club that has made leaps and bounds over the years with limited resources and facilities.'"
I for one understand where you're coming from with your comments, but the guy has many valid points.
I don't mind losing in a contested game. I also accept that there are times when you get the occasional thrashing. It wouldn't be too bad if the situation was that, but sadly, it isn't.
We've been playing (IMO) some dumb rugby in quite a lot of games prior to lockdown.
I really think a lot of it stems from lack of direction on the pitch. Danny Brough tried but, let's face it, his legs were no longer SL standard! The last organiser we had, as such, was Liam Finn and boy I wish we had him now . Milky annoys me, because he has all the attributes to be an outstanding player, but rarely do we see his skills. I don't think he's Captain material and that may be affecting his game. Would it be an appropriate time to try a Jowitt/Hampshire half back pairing?
In some games you think the players have thrown the towel in, and a scoreline such as we have just witnessed makes it very hard not to think that.
I hope they prover me very wrong and that a different team turns up next time!
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| Going back to when we signed Danny Brough he was seen as the missing link at that time. Unfortunately it didnt work out , but whats changed. We deffo need a half back and maybe 2. Chester will never know his best squad while he makes so many changes and omissions from the squad. Without doubt the best time would be now to have different combinations but in the half backs an additions needed.
Supporters on the whole seem to except that we are unlikely to win or reach the grand final or the challenge cup but along the way have some fantastic results.
While ever we are bit players the club will simplly chug along with no acheivements , and every now and again come up with a stinker like yesterday.
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