I know alot of people on here like him for his pi$$ take blog every now and then but what does he actually do with our players during the week! Year after year I've said this, that since geoff Evans left we start the season well when were even with the other teams. But as they get fitter they over take us. I'm
fed up of seeing players with hands on hips blowing bubbles out there backside, not getting up off the line to meet the attack, not backing players up, not being able to cover defence! Just look at the likes of Wigan, Last year they were on par with us. Now new coaching and a major focus on fitness had turned them into the team they are. It's alright people saying lets get x y and z but if the players around them aren't fit enough to want to make that play then it's pointless. Rant over

Must admit we looked knackered after about 30 minutes but I think a lot of it is down to player attitude at the moment. We managed to keep Hull scoreless in the second half, that has to be put down to decent fitness levels.

When your not knackered your more aware of what's going on around you, it really does bug me at times. We were camped on there line at times and the only bloke that looked like he wanted to take it up was korki. Other teams like hudds wire Wigan Leeds etc have a multitude of players all wanting that ball, all desperate to run at a hole, back a man up! Us? No, give it one man and hope for the best cos the others are blowing at the back

I've said it before that the lack of supporting the man with the ball is unacceptable,I don't know whether that is down to fitness which i think is not good enough or lack of intensity and wanting to give everything for the team.Especially on the first 4 tackles there is no one supporting the runner,most of the time there is no one within 10 meters,it's all just too predictable.The only time we weren't tonight is when we scored at the end and that was due to players supporting the man with the ball.

Like I've said you only have to look at the time Evans was here we uses to be able to compete for the full 80 and blow teams away in the final 20. Now we struggle after 30 mins. We start well every year the same till everyone else catches us up and overtakes us. You could have the best half back in the world but if everyone else is hands on hips it's pointless

From when I first started watching rugby about 22 years ago, my dad has always instilled 2 pieces of 'wisdom'.
The first being ''it's not the player who makes the break, it's the player backing up to take the pass'', the second being ''rugby is a simple game if you throw the ball out wide''. What happens when we do both of these things tonight? we score a decent try!

Yeah look at Wigan..look at the players they have , not their fitness levels...compare the number of folk who have played at international/ state of origin level hey and yes they even got beat by Harlequins tonight. Its not physical fitness, in days gone by we would not have been still 'trying' to score in last ten minutes etc , we lost because of our lack of idea in attack and because we have lost three of our top players and not replaced them with like ...Newton/ Tronc / Brough add to that Morrison and the team we thought we had at the start of season has had its best players taken from it. Which of todays players would get in the Wigan team and therin lies your answer

Anyone else we can blame?
The bus driver?
The dr?
The physio?

the players blowing out of ass: Cooke, Kirmond, .... no pre season with us
JD, sorry but too old.

It's exactly the same Wigan team as last year, same internstionals that just about got to the playoffs. So what's different this year compared to last? Sorry but our fitness levels aren't upto scratch

hes our new scrum half

point is Wigan + international , Wakey not. Again how many of our team from last night do you think would get into their team ? Richard Moore maybe. That is where our problem lies. Quality not fitness. Jessica Ennis is super fit but 13 of her in our team would not make us beat anyone.

Better to watch/look at though!

with thurston at scrum half and 12 of us on here playing with him wouldn't do anything either. I agree quality is lacking and they do have more but they had that last year. Exactly the same bar deacon. They had a piece on boots and all pre season and showed what a massive focus on fitness maguire had brought in and isn't it working? Same could be said for hudds. They move with intesity as one, have Several players wanting to back players up, there line speed is awesome. You don't need to be a world beater to back up or to get off your line get in there faces and make the tackle before they make decent yards. Falling off tackles and slapping at people because there that knackered to make it properly or the defensive lines like a dogs hind leg also.

He`s a new coach? ......................I`ll get my coat.