I'm not short on theories and opinions regarding RL.

But there is one issue that has bugged me for years and I just can't find a plausible explanation.

Josh Griffin: He's 33 years old, he now has the perfect build for a Rugby player, in fact he's a bit of a monster for his height.

I've followed his career since he was in our Academy right up until now.

It's only been in the last five years IMO that he's reached his full physical potential.

My issue is this. I can't help but think that had Josh come through the NRL, he'd have reached that potential at around 24 years of age. That is a full four years earlier than he did, and would have coincided far more with his playing prime years. This also applies to dozens of other players.

I just don't know why, as I reckon we reached more or less parity with the NRL in terms of sports science, training methods and life style about 15 years ago. Yes they are still ahead, but the gulf is nowhere near what it once was.

Yet look at Dom Young, a beanpole a few years back, but he looks like a terminator now. I honestly don't think that transformation would have happened in SL, certainly not in that timeframe.

Look at Toby Boothroyd, he's only 20, never played NRL, was never a squad player, has never been full time, but you find me 20 year old reserve players in SL that is his size. There are not many. Yet in Oz he'd be considered ordinary.

Look at Issac Shaw, he's older than Toby, yet every-time i see him I keep wondering when someone is going to introduce him to pasta! He looks like he lives on salad. He is a good player imho, but he doesn't seem to have developed physically much in the last few years.

So, why is it taking SL so long to physically develop their players compared to the NRL, especially regarding the top clubs, who allegedly have all the same structures in place.

Over to you.

I'd agree with you to an extent. But food, good food, is no cheaper in Oz than here, and the science and knowledge has been around for years. Iy's readily available on the internet (and I am talking legal here).

When I was younger I knew a fair few lads who joined gyms and used a body builders diet and they all bulked up, some very significantly, and all off there own backs.

Obviously not all players need bulk, and some simply can't add it. But for those who can, and would benefit, it seems to arrive to late imho.

PS: Murphy did most of that whilst still in the UK, which really makes you wonder. I'm not sure he'd have bothered if he'd stayed, but might be wrong.

You answered your own question for me.
We do not have parity in Sports Science and nutrition with them.
Including facilities too.

and we have enough coaches that have gone through the Aussie system, with the knowledge etc to be able to implement it here. Perhaps it's a money, or lack of, thing that is holding us back.

No actually I didn’t. I said that was he case 15 years ago. I said the gulf was now very small. So question still in answered.

That’s exactly I think the issue, money and investment. Add to that the top clubs can just poach the academy players that other teams have heavily invested in at academy level.

That was my answer.
I don't think the gulf is very small.....shown by the evidence you give.

Why ask a 'genuine question' if you are going to argue with a genuine answer?

That wasn’t my issue. I’m pointing out that I didn’t answer my own question, because I don’t think there is a gulf. If you do fair enough, you might be right, but it wasn’t my answer it was yours

Slightly off topic, but I was reading recently about bio-banding and physical development. I believe it's something that has been used in the Southern Hemisphere for a while and is starting to catch on in the UK, although I've not heard about it in RL over here yet. Here's the link if anyone's interested https://theathletic.com/4655857/2023/09 ... otballers/

Slightly off topic, but I was reading recently about bio-banding and physical development. I believe it's something that has been used in the Southern Hemisphere for a while and is starting to catch on in the UK, although I've not heard about it in RL over here yet. Here's the link if anyone's interested https://theathletic.com/4655857/2023/09 ... otballers/

The very fact Murphy's team (and probably all NRL teams) have a multi million traing and rehab facility separate to the stadium, with teams who have attended the Australia Institute of Sport shows why it is different.

We have one of the best backroom staff we've ever had, and it's still 1 guy working in a very small gym.
I'm impressed with what we are doing, especially with nutrition side, but we are still light years behind in my opinion.

I was on about this with a mate the other day. Take Herbie Farnworth, top 3 centre in the world, went to Brisbane at about 16, Would he be the same player now if he came through Wigan, I don’t reckon so. Has anyone seen South Sydney’s new training facilities, it would match a premier league club. Sports science facilities and I reckon climate make a massive difference not taking into account the NRL is a Billion pound organisation. It’s like comparing the premier league to the Scottish premier league in my opinion.

There is no gulf in the knowledge and at most clubs there is no gulf in the facilities.
The gulf lays in the number of quality athletes that enter the system.
In Australia they have many more times the number of quality athletes available due to the prominence and attraction of the NRL. They are at the head of the line when kids decide which sport they want to play and which sportsmen they wish to emulate. The base of their talent pyramid is much wider than ours, it’s almost as simple as that!