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| Scarlet Pimpernell:
Trueman can only play when fit to do so, I agree we need him to play but that is not in anyone’s gift. He isn't currently out through injury though.
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| alegend:PopTart:
Trueman is an out and out 6. We need a 7 of Sezer's level. Preferably younger.
It would be nice if Russell came back from injury as Tom Deardon but I've a feeling he won't.
I've stood up for Lino but ultimately he is a 10-6 level player at best. If we want to challenge the playoffs we need someone more consistent who can handle a bit of pressure..
Even I have said he can't do it all on his own which is true......but Sezer has done against us twice.
LoL Lino getting stick again every player was off there game to night Sorry but the reason we lost tonight was down to having at least 6 first team players out injured .who would be in the starting 13 every week. You can not blame any one player for the worst 80 minute we have played all season You could say Griffin was a penalty machine to night You could say is Scott a centre ,offers nothing in attack .You could say Is Max the best we can do at 6 .You could say how the hell did Hull score the trys ,when there was three or four Wakefield players round the player who scored Like it or not injures caught up with us big time to night And lack of ball in the second half ,that was due to giving silly penalties away and no discipline .One bad performance does not make us a bad team even with half the team missing . Although missing Tom and Trueman and maybe Pratt made a difference, the team out there was good enough to win. No-one was completely bad. They all had good moments but unfortunately they all did plenty wrong too I'd probably exclude the front row. They all did their jobs. I know I'm just disappointed same as everyone else. You are right though. We haven't just become a bad team. Time to work hard and get the next win.
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| Hull have Sezer but if we had Trueman available for the same number of games then surely we would be in a better position. They are equally good just one available more often, it’s not Trueman fault it’s just circumstances. I know he is not injured but he could not play. The bottom line is that it’s not Lino’s fault because I believe without him we would be in a worse situation.
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| Yeah, that was one of the strangest in many ways and most disappointing performances of the season. Too many of our players were not at the races, not because of a lack of effort, but because they seemed not to be on the same page as each other. Our attack was so clunky in that first half, we got into so many great positions and either Lino's kicks were crap, or the last tackle plays just wasn't as good as they usually are. We should have scored at least 3 more in that first half; they were that poor, and we dominated territory that much. I'm not one for crapping on Lino but I'm a bit puzzled why he keeps going for gthat kick to corner on the 5th in the opponents 20, once it's failed so many times ix it up. It must have a success rate of about 10% and we didn't have air Johnstone tonight to take them on the left. Surely we work on more than that in practice, I know we do because we've seen so many different plays over the season, especially when Trueman plays or Max has a good game next to him, and he uses his short kicks better. Ateotd Lion's gotbto thinbk on his feet a bit more when attacking & have more in his locker than that, we're better than that and we've shown we can score off just creating overlaps through dummy runners, which were almost non-existent tonight for some reason, and sending it through the hands on the 4th/5th tackle. We've even pulled off some amazing set moves that we haven't used as much as we should. Tonight would have been ideal to show them off when we were having trouble getting over the line. But too many times, the kick to the corners is a waste, especially without TJ playing.
Not sure what happened after half time, sure Hull cut some of the errors out and ran it in a bit harder, but it's not something we haven't seen before. Their forwards were gone at the end of the first and were almost dragging themselves off the pitch to the changing rooms. We almost changed roles when we came back out, which tbf is rare for a DP-coached team; we usually have a good second half to make up for a slow first; we then started making stupid errors and giving away needless penalties that straight gave Hull their points. Although I have to say the head high penalties were not consistant at all, one Huill player caught one of ours around the kneck and it was waved on saying contact was low first, then within minutes twice leading up to their first try, we got punished for high tackles which were almost the same as a few of theirs that were waved on, countact around the shoulder and slid up a bit, it happens every game, some get punshed and others get waved off.
Hate having to pick players out when they were poor, so I'll point out that even though it was poor Uele, Pitts, Caius, Harvey, Vagana, Rourke, and Mike had generally good games and gave it their all. Seems harsh to say, especially playing out of position, but Max had one of the worst games he's ever played for us, but he'll know that, it's as though everything he tried didn't just come off, and he even made errors and gave penalties away, he just doesn't usually. Jayden, unfortunately, had a bit of a mare, poor lad, he'll learn from this though because at times I think he looks the real deal, but he was almost trying too hard to impress.
We seriously lacked TJ's yardage coming out of our half, as good as Walmsley is at finishing, he does get halted in his tracks bringing it out most times, and Rouke should back himself to do that job instead of offloading the ball to him. Hall was fairly invisible tonight after a run of good games and looked a bit lighweight at times. You could go on and on and rate every individual player, but it's a bit pointless; they all know that the team this week played nothing like the team last week did, when we ran in points for fun and Hull, like Catalans, gave us the opportunities to do exactly that. The forwards did the work in that first half to get us in a good position, along with Hull shooting themselves in the foot. How we didn't finish that game by half time is anyone's guess, let alone to go on and lose it, which is the worst thing. We didn't help ourselves, but fair play to Hull for coming out after an atrocious first half and believing a try and they'd be back in contention, but I bet they couldn't believe how easy we made it for them after the first half.
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| Scarlet Pimpernell:
Hull have Sezer but if we had Trueman available for the same number of games then surely we would be in a better position. They are equally good just one available more often, it’s not Trueman fault it’s just circumstances. I know he is not injured but he could not play. The bottom line is that it’s not Lino’s fault because I believe without him we would be in a worse situation.
I'm not sure Lino just being there is enough. It wasn't his fault. But he made mistakes.
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Yeah, that was one of the strangest in many ways and most disappointing performances of the season. Too many of our players were not at the races, not because of a lack of effort, but because they seemed not to be on the same page as each other. Our attack was so clunky in that first half, we got into so many great positions and either Lino's kicks were crap, or the last tackle plays just wasn't as good as they usually are. We should have scored at least 3 more in that first half; they were that poor, and we dominated territory that much. I'm not one for crapping on Lino but I'm a bit puzzled why he keeps going for gthat kick to corner on the 5th in the opponents 20, once it's failed so many times ix it up. It must have a success rate of about 10% and we didn't have air Johnstone tonight to take them on the left. Surely we work on more than that in practice, I know we do because we've seen so many different plays over the season, especially when Trueman plays or Max has a good game next to him, and he uses his short kicks better. Ateotd Lion's gotbto thinbk on his feet a bit more when attacking & have more in his locker than that, we're better than that and we've shown we can score off just creating overlaps through dummy runners, which were almost non-existent tonight for some reason, and sending it through the hands on the 4th/5th tackle. We've even pulled off some amazing set moves that we haven't used as much as we should. Tonight would have been ideal to show them off when we were having trouble getting over the line. But too many times, the kick to the corners is a waste, especially without TJ playing.
Not sure what happened after half time, sure Hull cut some of the errors out and ran it in a bit harder, but it's not something we haven't seen before. Their forwards were gone at the end of the first and were almost dragging themselves off the pitch to the changing rooms. We almost changed roles when we came back out, which tbf is rare for a DP-coached team; we usually have a good second half to make up for a slow first; we then started making stupid errors and giving away needless penalties that straight gave Hull their points. Although I have to say the head high penalties were not consistant at all, one Huill player caught one of ours around the kneck and it was waved on saying contact was low first, then within minutes twice leading up to their first try, we got punished for high tackles which were almost the same as a few of theirs that were waved on, countact around the shoulder and slid up a bit, it happens every game, some get punshed and others get waved off.
Hate having to pick players out when they were poor, so I'll point out that even though it was poor Uele, Pitts, Caius, Harvey, Vagana, Rourke, and Mike had generally good games and gave it their all. Seems harsh to say, especially playing out of position, but Max had one of the worst games he's ever played for us, but he'll know that, it's as though everything he tried didn't just come off, and he even made errors and gave penalties away, he just doesn't usually. Jayden, unfortunately, had a bit of a mare, poor lad, he'll learn from this though because at times I think he looks the real deal, but he was almost trying too hard to impress.
We seriously lacked TJ's yardage coming out of our half, as good as Walmsley is at finishing, he does get halted in his tracks bringing it out most times, and Rouke should back himself to do that job instead of offloading the ball to him. Hall was fairly invisible tonight after a run of good games and looked a bit lighweight at times. You could go on and on and rate every individual player, but it's a bit pointless; they all know that the team this week played nothing like the team last week did, when we ran in points for fun and Hull, like Catalans, gave us the opportunities to do exactly that. The forwards did the work in that first half to get us in a good position, along with Hull shooting themselves in the foot. How we didn't finish that game by half time is anyone's guess, let alone to go on and lose it, which is the worst thing. We didn't help ourselves, but fair play to Hull for coming out after an atrocious first half and believing a try and they'd be back in contention, but I bet they couldn't believe how easy we made it for them after the first half.
I agree with all that.No-one was completely bad but nearly everyone did something that cost us. Probably only Caius and Caleb come out of it looking good. The crowd and chance of a first win got Hull through. They were poor too but did enough. A bit like when we beat Cas at home.
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| For me it’s his inconsistency.
We had field position, possession and were on the front foot in that first half and offered nothing.
I appreciate we made errors too which stalked our momentum but I can’t remember us once throwing shape at them.
Lino for me is a very good back up option but it’s too often rocks rather than diamonds.
Bring in a natural quality 6 and I think we improve significantly next year with Trueman at 7 and Lino back up.
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| jonh:
For me it’s his inconsistency.
We had field position, possession and were on the front foot in that first half and offered nothing.
I appreciate we made errors too which stalked our momentum but I can’t remember us once throwing shape at them.
Lino for me is a very good back up option but it’s too often rocks rather than diamonds.
Bring in a natural quality 6 and I think we improve significantly next year with Trueman at 7 and Lino back up.
Sorry I meant to reply to this.I don't think I understand what you mean by a natural 6. Can you give me an example as I would say Trueman is a natural 6.
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| Bitterly disappointing result, and I think that has probably burst our bubble somewhat. When it comes to it we just don't seem to have the nouce to prevail in close games, Wigan aside, and perhaps it won't be a bad thing if we finish 7th, 8th after a season of flirting with the play offs. We are on a journey and too much too soon could see us get too giddy and expect more than where we're at as a team. We don't want flash in the pan seasons anymore followed by struggle.
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