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We underestimate how physically tough the game is here in the UK, it is too much for some players to step up from the Championship to SL. For others it takes a long time to acclimatise and adapt to that level of physicality, not just during an 80 minute game but in terms of recovering from a game and the cumulative wear, tear and fatigue of game after game.
I?ve known many NRL forwards that have come over and found our game to be surprisingly more physical than the NRL! YES I know, shock horror because that?s not the popular narrative.
Many NRL forwards find our players are bigger than they expected, more aggressive, direct, tougher and hurt more in the collision than they?ve been used to. We all watch the NRL and just take it for granted that they?re better in every aspect and for the most part that?s evidently true but not in this aspect.
I know some will disagree but I?m basing my statement on conversations I?ve had with a lot Southern Hemisphere players who?ve experienced both!
I said before the season started that we had a number of players for whom the jury was out even though they?d gone well in the Championship. I?m hoping that Rodwell has just being unlucky with injuries and not that the step up has proven too much for his body.
In terms of Atoni, we?ve seen him stand up and be dominant in a few games, we know he?s got it in him but the quiet nondescript performances outnumber the dominant ones. It?s not that he doesn?t do his job it?s that he doesn?t impose himself and plays with little impact on the opposition, it?s frustrating when you?ve seen what he can do! Maybe it?s what I mentioned earlier and the week to week stuff erodes his ability to play at his very best in every game.
At the moment I?d resign him but I don?t know who else is out there and available. If an obvious battle proven candidate became available then with top six contention in mind we should be ruthless in our retention/recruitment and make the tough decisions.
Pretty much this, if we can find better we should do, if we can't then we re-sign. My only concern is the quota spot. It's either Atoni or Walmsley who will be making way for Smoothy, and being fully stocked up on the quota spot leave little room for movement next year.
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| Khlav Kalash:The Avenger:
We underestimate how physically tough the game is here in the UK, it is too much for some players to step up from the Championship to SL. For others it takes a long time to acclimatise and adapt to that level of physicality, not just during an 80 minute game but in terms of recovering from a game and the cumulative wear, tear and fatigue of game after game.
I?ve known many NRL forwards that have come over and found our game to be surprisingly more physical than the NRL! YES I know, shock horror because that?s not the popular narrative.
Many NRL forwards find our players are bigger than they expected, more aggressive, direct, tougher and hurt more in the collision than they?ve been used to. We all watch the NRL and just take it for granted that they?re better in every aspect and for the most part that?s evidently true but not in this aspect.
I know some will disagree but I?m basing my statement on conversations I?ve had with a lot Southern Hemisphere players who?ve experienced both!
I said before the season started that we had a number of players for whom the jury was out even though they?d gone well in the Championship. I?m hoping that Rodwell has just being unlucky with injuries and not that the step up has proven too much for his body.
In terms of Atoni, we?ve seen him stand up and be dominant in a few games, we know he?s got it in him but the quiet nondescript performances outnumber the dominant ones. It?s not that he doesn?t do his job it?s that he doesn?t impose himself and plays with little impact on the opposition, it?s frustrating when you?ve seen what he can do! Maybe it?s what I mentioned earlier and the week to week stuff erodes his ability to play at his very best in every game.
At the moment I?d resign him but I don?t know who else is out there and available. If an obvious battle proven candidate became available then with top six contention in mind we should be ruthless in our retention/recruitment and make the tough decisions.
Pretty much this, if we can find better we should do, if we can't then we re-sign. My only concern is the quota spot. It's either Atoni or Walmsley who will be making way for Smoothy, and being fully stocked up on the quota spot leave little room for movement next year. Nathan Brown was once on the Bye round podcast with James Graham. He said you can hang your hat on a forward doing very well from the U.K in Aus. When 18-23 year old forwards in Aus are playing Flegg/ SG ball/ NSW-Qld cup over there a lot over here are already well blooded over here. Playing in harsh conditions against a lot more quality opposition. I was talking to Rodwell the other month and he said the NSW comp is harder than the Championship over here. I know he?s had an injury etc but doesn?t look anywhere as dominating in SL as he did the championship, it?s a huge step up, although Caleb looks even better, he?s really stepped up. We need to be very savy with our Quota spots if we are to be a consistent top 6 team. Just look at wire under Powell when you let a rotten apple in to the team.
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| I don?t necessarily agree with Rodwell on that one, he/we have to remember that his time in the Championship was spent in an absolutely dominant team that was full time while the opposition was doing it as a second job!
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| Pat_Bateman:Khlav Kalash:The Avenger:
We underestimate how physically tough the game is here in the UK, it is too much for some players to step up from the Championship to SL. For others it takes a long time to acclimatise and adapt to that level of physicality, not just during an 80 minute game but in terms of recovering from a game and the cumulative wear, tear and fatigue of game after game.
I?ve known many NRL forwards that have come over and found our game to be surprisingly more physical than the NRL! YES I know, shock horror because that?s not the popular narrative.
Many NRL forwards find our players are bigger than they expected, more aggressive, direct, tougher and hurt more in the collision than they?ve been used to. We all watch the NRL and just take it for granted that they?re better in every aspect and for the most part that?s evidently true but not in this aspect.
I know some will disagree but I?m basing my statement on conversations I?ve had with a lot Southern Hemisphere players who?ve experienced both!
I said before the season started that we had a number of players for whom the jury was out even though they?d gone well in the Championship. I?m hoping that Rodwell has just being unlucky with injuries and not that the step up has proven too much for his body.
In terms of Atoni, we?ve seen him stand up and be dominant in a few games, we know he?s got it in him but the quiet nondescript performances outnumber the dominant ones. It?s not that he doesn?t do his job it?s that he doesn?t impose himself and plays with little impact on the opposition, it?s frustrating when you?ve seen what he can do! Maybe it?s what I mentioned earlier and the week to week stuff erodes his ability to play at his very best in every game.
At the moment I?d resign him but I don?t know who else is out there and available. If an obvious battle proven candidate became available then with top six contention in mind we should be ruthless in our retention/recruitment and make the tough decisions.
Pretty much this, if we can find better we should do, if we can't then we re-sign. My only concern is the quota spot. It's either Atoni or Walmsley who will be making way for Smoothy, and being fully stocked up on the quota spot leave little room for movement next year. Nathan Brown was once on the Bye round podcast with James Graham. He said you can hang your hat on a forward doing very well from the U.K in Aus. When 18-23 year old forwards in Aus are playing Flegg/ SG ball/ NSW-Qld cup over there a lot over here are already well blooded over here. Playing in harsh conditions against a lot more quality opposition. I was talking to Rodwell the other month and he said the NSW comp is harder than the Championship over here. I know he?s had an injury etc but doesn?t look anywhere as dominating in SL as he did the championship, it?s a huge step up, although Caleb looks even better, he?s really stepped up. We need to be very savy with our Quota spots if we are to be a consistent top 6 team. Just look at wire under Powell when you let a rotten apple in to the team.
Rodwell was just starting to find his feet a few games after his injury. He was getting better and better and his last game vs Cas he was starting to make good yardage and looking fitter again. So unfortunate the injury but I think he?s a reasonably safe bet in that he will make the grade in SL when fit. At the very least he will be solid and even if not at prop I think he?s would be good at loose so he?s an option there too.
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I don?t necessarily agree with Rodwell on that one, he/we have to remember that his time in the Championship was spent in an absolutely dominant team that was full time while the opposition was doing it as a second job!
Rodwell didn?t look as dominant in SL as he did in the Championship, yet Uele does. It?s not a dig at him, he did his groin before the Leeds game and was finding his feet in Sl up until now, where as Uele has taken to it like a duck to water and would walk into any SL team already. It?s not a dig at any player, just analysing what you said earlier about how different southern hemisphere players take to SL. For me, they have taken differently, with obviously different factor involved ie injury. I?m also not saying he?ll not make it in SL. If you were to ask me which player would have been the player to excel straight away I?d of said Rodwell, but he hasn?t, for me Uele has and to some extent Vagana. I believe there?ll all get there, just takes different time scales.
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| Their paths have been very different, Rodwell was ready made, on the brink of NRL, and thus had a little less room for development especially physically.
Uele came to us out of shape, carrying the wrong type of weight and had been playing at a lower performance level, his fitness levels meant he had masses of improvement in him. He needs great credit for getting into superb condition and taking his game up a level or two.
For the record, I?m not bashing any player either, imo Rodwell will be a superb asset once he?s free of injury again while Uele will still get even better
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| Let?s not forget Noah high. Prop/second row signed from Wire.
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Their paths have been very different, Rodwell was ready made, on the brink of NRL, and thus had a little less room for development especially physically.
Uele came to us out of shape, carrying the wrong type of weight and had been playing at a lower performance level, his fitness levels meant he had masses of improvement in him. He needs great credit for getting into superb condition and taking his game up a level or two.
For the record, I?m not bashing any player either, imo Rodwell will be a superb asset once he?s free of injury again while Uele will still get even better
Very true. Top reply.
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| On Atoni, though he was good in flashes today but the with the charge close to the line and only a young lad in front of him he should have done much better.
I really can?t fully make my mind up with Atoni.
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