[quote="vastman":1ej2ha03]Doesn’t even need to be SL imho. A fringe player or an ambitious young championship player would do fine for me. So long as the attitude is right and they are robust, that would be fine. Bit like a Rodwell, but a U.K. version, won’t be as good but still decent. Saw a few tough lads last year who’d do ok without ever being first choice.[/quote:1ej2ha03] The likes of Walmsley for Saints, Harrison for Wire, Batchelor for Saints and even Keegan Hirst for us shows there may be some in there who could thrive in full time training. Maybe there’s someone there. I’m surprised that we haven’t picked a project from the championship up.

[quote="imwakefieldtillidie":15ak6ae6]I didn't think Kibula was anything special, even in the Championship. Struggled to get games in a poor Cas side.[/quote:15ak6ae6] He’s woeful! Big body and capable of some eye catching plays but lazy and heart the size of a pea, his lack of athleticism particularly his movement laterally makes him very easy to read in attack and a massive target in defence. He was the big lad that dominated games in the Academy because he was physically superior but once he stepped up he looked totally lost and anonymous.

"[quote="Vastman":b6f561mg]Oh do give it a rest for once. You know exactly what I meant so stop the agent provocateur stuff, I wouldn’t mind if you were any good at it. He comes as back up FACT and he will have to accept that to start with FACT. If he goes onto prove himself worthy and becomes first choice that’s fantastic, I’d love that. What he can’t do is swagger in and think he’s number one based on past achievements and then sulk when he isn’t first on the list. You earn your change or are you claiming otherwise?"[/quote:b6f561mg] Well that didn't take long. True colours always shine through i guess. But I think you'll find it isn't a fact its your opinion about something that hasn't even happened.

Rodwell being a 13 is not a given for me. He's fitter and more mobile than a normal prop but I can't say I've seen him do a lot of ball handling. Atoni does more than him. But as a powerful runner and big defensive backrower he's great. Just depends what kind of 13 you want.

[quote="PopTart":2pjg5aj7]Rodwell being a 13 is not a given for me. He's fitter and more mobile than a normal prop but I can't say I've seen him do a lot of ball handling. Atoni does more than him. But as a powerful runner and big defensive backrower he's great. Just depends what kind of 13 you want.[/quote:2pjg5aj7] There are very few ball playing 13s these days. I’m of the opinion you need 3 creative outlets on the field, 6, 7 and 1 or 13. If you go with 4 it reduces their time with the ball and effectiveness as they start to get in each others way. Origin 3 this year Queensland tried it throwing Pongia on without removing another creative player and they fell apart. Rodwell can tip on the ball and do big minutes with the ability to post a high tackle count and continue to be effective.

[quote="imwakefieldtillidie":17nef1lg]I didn't think Kibula was anything special, even in the Championship. Struggled to get games in a poor Cas side.[/quote:17nef1lg] He did pretty decent against trinity in championship but as you say he just can’t seem to crack it at the top level. Think he’s at Batley now.