Bang on Shifty, exactly why it's so hard to judge. On paper it'd be clear to see who we'd be running with should we see a return to Super League but it's not all so easy.

Bowden comes with 12 years worth of experience, got to count for something.

Watch how many times we score after a Bowden setup drive.
Different jobs for different props.
I like all our 'middles' but I just wanted to recognise his contribution as his sometimes goes unnoticed.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you Poptart, it’s that pesky scoundrel Homme Vaste who took his shot at you last night.

It’ll sure be interesting watching to see if what you’ve said is true, as you say certain things aren’t always deemed as having the same impact in terms of contribution. If Bowden is putting us on the front foot towards the oppositions line then IMO that’s just as important as contributing to some of the hard yards near our line.

It may well be that someone like Atoni us taking a drive to score and if he doesn't leaves us on the line which takes another setup play to make room.
Whereas Bowden is specifically taking a drive to set up the position
But I've noticed it in a few games now so it stands out like when you get a new red car.

Bowden doesn’t take the drives before try’s on the next play. Quite the opposite in that it’s very regularly Uele and Rodwell who get to their front quick and get quick plays to set up the positions. I’m not sure Atoni and Bowden in their first stint have the same style but I also think their job is slightly different in that they’re partly there to grind down the opposition starting forwards and drain the tank ready for the quicker props in Uele and Rodwell. It works and they all play equal part as a pack.

Bowden makes hardly any errors too and plays a very tidy game.

All the pack function as a unit, it's not reasonable to single one out as 'better' or 'worse'. Atoni and Uele are massive units who wrestle the strength out of the opposition whereas Bowden and Rodwell play a quicker game... or at least that's how I see it.
Let's not forget that this pack, with Boothroyd instead of Rodwell, basically bossed the starting pack of Wigan, albeit in a friendly.

Thanks for posting this, I forgot to share the stats on this forum after Ste Mills gave us permission to share them! There are 1000000 more stats that we unfortunately aren't able to share, which also make for interesting reading but hopefully everyone is enjoying the basics of what we're able to put out



I may try and put together the minutes played too for each player, if possible - as these make an impact too.

Its important to remember that these are the stats for two games, there will be other games were a particular forward will have better looking stats than this. I don't think you can judge whether anyone is doing enough or not from such a small sample

Jamie's actually posted more stats on X, those two games are just the ones I linked to.

Thanks for the work you and your dad do, love your podcast and hope that everybody on this forum listens to it, and follows your account on X.

Every stat from every game in 2024 has been posted on our Twitter / X feed

Just keep scrolling down to find them!



Thank you for the kind feedback, we do it all for the enjoyment so it's great that others find it interesting / fun too