Vasty I'm not sure why you are getting at fev to be honest they were left in a same position as us when super league started. They averaged more than us at that time and they were basically cut off from the rest like us and the rest of clubs and left with no hope .fev and many more clubs lost generations of fans.
The fans and people running fev have tried hard to build the club up with 3 stands, done it themselves and done a decent job. They still own their own ground they own the training fields behind and its a traditional rugby ground.
London have been all over the shop, Salford don't play in Salford and its soulless. Hull kr and cas are old type grounds where they are on you and no one as moaned for 100 years.
The front of our ground the stand, the pitch and lights are great but the rest of it is not right cracking.
I don't think.its a competition with others and we as a club have loads to do to put our house in order but hopefully we are in the right track.
I'm also a firm believer that the game needs derby's cas v wakey, fev v cas fev v us it creates interest, it gives teams revenue, it gives fans bragging rights and theirs nothing like a week leading up to a Derby

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We are on about the pitch not the club, completely different issue. I respect Fev as a club, and what they have tried to do, but that pitch!

I actually played on it once and it was dire. I know they have levelled it a bit but it still has a fair old slope.

Blimey, all I’m saying is the old pot is gone and Ellis has his own and he may want to do it differently, I may be wrong. You’re making more of this simple statement than is strictly necessary.

There is a huge difference between players potentially signing and planned works. Prospective targets can change with change in coach. That’s common sense. However, this is planned works with money being allocated (from the initial figure) that has been planned to go ahead all along.

Why shouldn’t I as a fan expect this will still happen when there’s been no news to say it’s not happening?

Im not assuming anything. There are plans. There is the funds. It is happening so far as anyone knows still. You suggest that Ellis may not want to do it and you may be able to assume these things about what he may think or want but unfortunately I don’t know him and can only go what’s open on the public domain. If he wants to do something else then great but I can’t read his mind so until anything’s announced I’ll expect to see the next phase of works happen.

I have just read a few other posts after that suggests the initial pot of money is gone? 11.2 million was it?

That’s very disappointing with all the cuts that were endured through the project with fan zone, change in specs, not doing specific parts of the north stand. Add to that the 2 floor refurbishment and there’s been a huge amount of cuts through this project it seems.

If that’s the case and Ellis is using his own money I can understand why he may want to do something different or be considering what’s best for the future of trinity.

The point being, the person deciding where the money is allocated has changed.

I don't understand why you see 'assuming' and 'expecting' as different.

The reality is, the world at Belle Vue has changed. So new plans are afoot.
The very fact the Neil Fox Stand was finished to spec and then Ellis took over and he wanted to make some changes shows that.

However I do agree, some comms on this subject would be nice when he finalises them.

I’m with you on this one, don’t see what the problem is.

I intend to add a conservatory to my kitchen, however if I move before I do it, I don’t expect the new owner to do it just because I intended to. Hope that doesn’t sound too condescending but it’s the easiest way I can think to explain the situation.

I suppose it’s one of those wait and see where I need to display some restraint. I’m not the only one who’s been asking about the prospective new gym etc on social platforms though.

I can absolutely accept it’s changed and don’t get me wrong I am happy with the changes and am feeling positive about how we are progressing. Perhaps I will need to wait and see what plans Ellis has for the north east corner and other areas of the stadium.

Went to post office road today for the Dewsbury game, firstly it amazes me the crap Wakey got a few years ago about the crush barriers not being strong enough, yet Fev still don’t have any crush barriers at all in their standing area. Then there’s the rest of it, absolutetly terrible around the ground/back of the stands and the old stand is seating is falling apart. Total lack of corporate boxes/viewing, horrifying floodlights and a pitch that must only just meet minimum dimensions, then there’s the fans, the older guys are great, but there’s some pretty vitriolic, ignorant, loud mouth, solipsistic and self righteous 25-40 year olds, that seem to be just there to scream at the opposition and referee, same every time I’ve been to Fev since 1998, they seem to have one enourmous chip on their shoulders

How did the the Rams go FT ? And how did he go as well

I was actually involved in the planning of the main stand at Fev, around 1985. It cost less than half a million and was a benchmark design for a small semi pro club. I’m still proud of it and it’s sad if it’s become a bit dilapidated, no excuse for that.

However even at the time we were aware of both the stand and POR limitations.

Where I think the ground flatters to deceive is in appearance, it looks more than it is. All the stands are basic but ok for what is needed. Only the lack of corporate is a real issue but then that’s not really what Fev are all about.

Sadly the real issue, the small sloping pitch was never seriously addressed, when in truth it should have come first after the main stand was built. It was always going to come back and bite them and now it has.

Fev fans will disagree with me, but 3 reasonably modern stands don’t make up for a pitch not fit for purpose. In the modern game a quality playing surface is now simply a must, if nothing else it’s what the TV companies expect to see.

Say what you like about Carter and Minards, they spotted that a modern pitch and modern lighting were a must have. So much so that they committed club money ahead of players. Seemed daft at the time, but they read the IMG situation correctly, and our points tally shows that.

As I say BV has good bones, and we will benefit from that.