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| Quote: vastman "Despite what people think State of Origin hasn’t always been the pinnacle of the game in Australia.
When I lived there it was a total nothing game.
Then three things happened. One it was re-formatted as a three match comp, absolutely vital should we want to emulate it. Secondly it was rebranded with a long term strategy that was adhered to. Finally and in its own way just as vital the first game of the new format involved a huge punch up within the first ten minutes or there a outs I believe. This immediately turned the game and the series into a grudge match that’s still running today.
The template is there. So far we have failed on every front. Truth is it doesn’t really matter if it’s WOR or All stars or whatever. If you make those three things happen it will work. Maybe not to SOO levels but useful all the same.
For me I’d do War of the Roses but based on the team you play for. With clubs east of the pennies as Yorkshire. West as Lancashire. Where your from is irrelevant so overseas can play though I’d limit the numbers to thee per team and one pivot, one forward and one back.
However it all takes vision and perseverance, two things we lack and the NRL doesn’t. I’d also make it winner takes all withe the losing team expenses only.'"
Prior to 1980 there was no 'State of Origin'. What existed was the 'Interstate Series' NSW v QLD in which players represented the state in which they played their football rather than the state where they were born. NSW came to dominate the Interstate games particularly after 1956 when pokies were legalised in NSW. This gave the NSW clubs the finances to cherry pick the best players from the QLD competition. So you had a situations where such as that great Queensland footballer Arthur Beetson represented NSW
. The third game of the 1980 and 1981 interstate series was designated State of Origin whereby players would represent their state of birth . Initially there was scepticism around the 'mate against mate' concept but that went out of the window the moment that Big Artie clocked his Paramatta team mate Mick Cronin. From then it was game on. and from 1982 0nwards it became the three game State of Origin series.
I take your point about Yorkshire V Lancashire but I doubt that it would ever generate the same high profile event as SoO as there isn't the emnity there as in Oz, much of which was generated by NSW taking QLD's best players to play against QLD in the old interstate series. QLD sold the SoO on the basis of 'our boys are coming home to play for us' which after all the floggings over the years in the interstate series caught the imagination of Queenslanders.
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| Well me the the missus n grandkids went over and watched the game for the princely some of £30 , and had a great time and watched some decent rugby along way , roll on Englands next game I say . The team that turned out for this game will look nothing like the team that plays in the World Cup , this was nothing more than a training , get together game and for that purpose I think it went well . People moan when we lose and at the same time moan when we win , I really do despair at times with the apathy of RL supporters when more people moan about our effort than applaud them . If anyone is still in the dark as to why international or our domestic game for that matter RL can’t make it into the main stream sporting events , you don’t have to look much further than the fans. Kevin Sinfield posted on a RL site got more likes on social media for helping whatever their called win a cup in Union than than our England team in League. And there you have it in a nut shell , Apathy. it was a day out making memories and watching two decent sides , and it didn’t cost much more than a Packet of fags a few pints n a Chinese.
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| Quote: Kettykat "Well me the the missus n grandkids went over and watched the game for the princely some of £30 , and had a great time and watched some decent rugby along way , roll on Englands next game I say . The team that turned out for this game will look nothing like the team that plays in the World Cup , this was nothing more than a training , get together game and for that purpose I think it went well . People moan when we lose and at the same time moan when we win , I really do despair at times with the apathy of RL supporters when more people moan about our effort than applaud them . If anyone is still in the dark as to why international or our domestic game for that matter RL can’t make it into the main stream sporting events , you don’t have to look much further than the fans. Kevin Sinfield posted on a RL site got more likes on social media for helping whatever their called win a cup in Union than than our England team in League. And there you have it in a nut shell , Apathy. it was a day out making memories and watching two decent sides , and it didn’t cost much more than a Packet of fags a few pints n a Chinese.'"
Great post and couldn’t agree more.
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| I like the concept of the All Stars and I think the players do too. I also regret the demise of the Roses games. So why not a 3 game series involving All Stars, Yorkshire and Lancashire? As somebody else has said it would have to be a full on trial for the England team. English non Yorks/Lancs players could play for the All Stars and still be in contention for the national side.
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| Quote: Kettykat "Well me the the missus n grandkids went over and watched the game for the princely some of £30 , and had a great time and watched some decent rugby along way , roll on Englands next game I say . The team that turned out for this game will look nothing like the team that plays in the World Cup , this was nothing more than a training , get together game and for that purpose I think it went well . People moan when we lose and at the same time moan when we win , I really do despair at times with the apathy of RL supporters when more people moan about our effort than applaud them . If anyone is still in the dark as to why international or our domestic game for that matter RL can’t make it into the main stream sporting events , you don’t have to look much further than the fans. Kevin Sinfield posted on a RL site got more likes on social media for helping whatever their called win a cup in Union than than our England team in League. And there you have it in a nut shell , Apathy. it was a day out making memories and watching two decent sides , and it didn’t cost much more than a Packet of fags a few pints n a Chinese.'"
I totally get what you say. I am one of those fans however that has little interest in this type of thing. You alluded to the reasons firstly the England team will look nothing like the team they put out at the weekend. You talk about fan apathy yet some clubs have shown the same by not releasing players. RL needs to sort it's act out get some sort of real structure in place for these types of games. The last few weeks has seen patchy RL being played and by that I mean the last few weeks have seen a few empty weekends with the cup and other breaks. To be honest this is negative for the game. Now back to this weekend game I actually thought thought it was a poor game played by 2 teams thrown together. Not for me this stuff unless it becomes a serious game and not a run out.
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| Quote: REDWHITEANDBLUE "I totally get what you say. I am one of those fans however that has little interest in this type of thing. You alluded to the reasons firstly the England team will look nothing like the team they put out at the weekend. You talk about fan apathy yet some clubs have shown the same by not releasing players. RL needs to sort it's act out get some sort of real structure in place for these types of games. The last few weeks has seen patchy RL being played and by that I mean the last few weeks have seen a few empty weekends with the cup and other breaks. To be honest this is negative for the game. Now back to this weekend game I actually thought thought it was a poor game played by 2 teams thrown together. Not for me this stuff unless it becomes a serious game and not a run out.'"
All well and good if you don’t want to watch it ,that’s yours and many others choice , but for so called fans to pull it to pieces all over social media, just like most rugby league events must be withering to say the least for the powers that be . I bet those union bosses fell of their ivory thrones laughing at all the negative posts, as we really do know how to shoot ourselves in the foot time and time again . An old saying my dad taught me was ( if you’ve nowt good to say then don’t say owt ) very true words especially as we are coming into our World Cup ,and fans from other sporting groups will be looking on ,but according to the majority of comments on RL sites we might as well not turn up as we’ll be the rubbing rags of the tournament even before a ball is kicked , now that’s what you call fickle fans. This game will never expand whilst we have this mindset amongst supporters. FWIW I enjoyed the game and more importantly my grandkids enjoyed the game ,and they are the future
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