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| Quote PopTart="PopTart"1) this isn't a top business
2) if there are no willing investors then being good at getting them doesn't help
3) we don't have shareholders
4) just to be clear, you are at best a customer'"
Again I think you are trying to manipulate what is being said
We are playing in the "Elite" level of rugby league so the analagy with a top business is correct
As for "no willing investors" again I fail to agree that there are not willing investors around the country or even further and again its down to the chairman and CEO to bring these in.
It really is simple business sense.
3 As for shareholders, again that is who a CEO/Chairman would answer to in normal business (in effect the supporters are the o es they have to answer to in this)
4 In a poorly run club yes you are correct at best I am a customer and as such is the reason we are in the mess we have been for numerous years,in a properly run successful club I would be a valued asset who could have input and my opinions listened to.
Do we have a fans steering group that can report to the board ?
How often are we going around the local schools,groups ,clubs Etc..again I'm sure some supporters would be willing to go give some time up to do this if asked.
The statement I heard in a big work meeting last month rang completely true with our situation
IF WE ALWAYS DO WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE WE WILL ALWAYS GET WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS GOT.
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| Quote Trinhomeandaway="Trinhomeandaway"You actually state that "if the CEO knew of such people he would be onto it" IT IS THE JOB OF THE CEO TO DO THIS !!!
[uSo you yourself have said that the CEO of wakefield isn't able to get the correct investment needed[/u,'"
First of all I'll not underline your point as you've done it for me with the cap locks, it is the job of the CEO to get investors on board I'm sure nobody knows that more than him, but getting investors on board in this financial climate with no guarantee of a return is impossible, simple question would you put your hard earned into a rugby league club? don't bother answering that because you've already pointed out your feelings, he's done marvellously well getting the sponsorship he's got, unfortunately not enough as I'm sure he'll be the first to admit it, and please don't try and put words into my mouth as quite frankly my dear your not bright enough, what I said was that the CEO wasn't able to get the correct investment he would like, not the same is it.
Quote Trinhomeandaway="Trinhomeandaway"In what other business would anyone be appointed to CEO if he/she did not posses the skillset to bring in the type of investment needed.
Nobody is saying Mr Carter hasn't done a decent job saving the club but unfortunately we need more and this is quite simply down to the Chairman and CEO to bring in such investment or employ the right people with the skills to do it.
Yes this will be a hard job but that is why they are the Chairman/CEO of this club.
Just imagine if a top business was failing and the Chairman and CEO failed to stop the rot and bring in what was needed,do you think the rest of the board/shareholders would be happy and just say "it's hard to find the investment needed" or would they make sure they did whatever was needed to put a CEO in place that could find the investment'"
Well first of all I'm clued up as to the pecking order of the management of the club and apologies if I've got it wrong but isn't Mr Carter the main investor in the club, and did he not step down as chairman and made himself the CEO to split the job description to bring Mr Maynard apologies for not knowing his name to give him more responsibility in the club, so nobody has really give him any responsibility, and I might just add that after 8 years or so it's a bit late to question his skillset regarding generating investment in the club, and yes your implying that he is no longer capable of doing the job, you and the other two anti Carter members.
Just one other point to clear up, THE BUSINESS IS NOT FAILING, see what I did there does that make me as clever as you? the business isn't exactly thriving but it's debt free apart from the serviceable mortgage for our own ground due to be expanded and improved, all the bills and the wages are paid, does that sound like failure to you, sorry don't answer that, it's either the coaching staff or the players or a bit of both that's letting the side down not the directors.
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| Quote chissitt="chissitt"First of all I'll not underline your point as you've done it for me with the cap locks, it is the job of the CEO to get investors on board I'm sure nobody knows that more than him, but getting investors on board in this financial climate with no guarantee of a return is impossible, simple question would you put your hard earned into a rugby league club? don't bother answering that because you've already pointed out your feelings, he's done marvellously well getting the sponsorship he's got, unfortunately not enough as I'm sure he'll be the first to admit it, and please don't try and put words into my mouth as quite frankly my dear your not bright enough, what I said was that the CEO wasn't able to get the correct investment he would like, not the same is it.
Well first of all I'm clued up as to the pecking order of the management of the club and apologies if I've got it wrong but isn't Mr Carter the main investor in the club, and did he not step down as chairman and made himself the CEO to split the job description to bring Mr Maynard apologies for not knowing his name to give him more responsibility in the club, so nobody has really give him any responsibility, and I might just add that after 8 years or so it's a bit late to question his skillset regarding generating investment in the club, and yes your implying that he is no longer capable of doing the job, you and the other two anti Carter members.
Just one other point to clear up, THE BUSINESS IS NOT FAILING, see what I did there does that make me as clever as you? the business isn't exactly thriving but it's debt free apart from the serviceable mortgage for our own ground due to be expanded and improved, all the bills and the wages are paid, does that sound like failure to you, sorry don't answer that, it's either the coaching staff or the players or a bit of both that's letting the side down not the directors.'"
No it doesn't make you as clever as me
If you dont think the business is failing well there is no point in even discussing it.
Enjoy the game at the weekend,I'm sure the same points will be being brought up again by xomeone else.
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| Quote MOPSEY LIVES ON="MOPSEY LIVES ON"can't help but smile at your posts, I can remember when TRB was on and you nicknamed him Ted Richardsons Bagman after his initials and his constant defending of the club. You've now turned into Mr Carter and the clubs chief apologist, in fact why don't you change your name to MCs lovechild, it will fit in well in your portfolio of usernames from over the years which you real out when it suits. You seem to have a lot of opinions when by your own admission you've done with the club, have no interest in it and don't attend anymore. Your basic aim on here is to deliver snide comments and stir the pot and its become quite sickly. Mud sticks old boy'"
Well first of all I'm glad you've got something to smile about, never had a problem with TRB and if you were a fan of the club neither would you, but it's noticeable your bitterness still sticks out, and if I remember rightly that was your nickname for him not mine.
I see your still as bitter as ever towards Carter, but we'll keep that between ourselves for now anyway, MCslovechild somehow doesn't have the same ring to it as mopseyslovechild does it  It wasn't created to give snide comments just take the mick out of you till I got bored, that's why I blocked you on the phone as well cos I was sick of your whinging about Carter and Kear oh and the way your rocky was treated, which I suppose that's why the character assassination, anyway good luck darn lane old boy  don't bother with the reply it won't do either of us much good.
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| Once more......we are a small business with limited income.
Anyone putting money in is not an investor they are giving funds with no hope of a return.
We have sponsorship who gain advertising and as far as I know (which I don't really for sure) we aren't doing bad at this compared to other seasons
We are customers, nothing more. Supporters groups are an idea that always gets raised but if you take RLfans as an example, much as enjoy debating on here, I would not want the vast majority anywhere near making decisions for the club.
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| Quote chissitt="chissitt"Well first of all I'm glad you've got something to smile about, never had a problem with TRB and if you were a fan of the club neither would you, but it's noticeable your bitterness still sticks out, and if I remember rightly that was your nickname for him not mine.
I see your still as bitter as ever towards Carter, but we'll keep that between ourselves for now anyway, MCslovechild somehow doesn't have the same ring to it as mopseyslovechild does it
It wasn't created to give snide comments just take the mick out of you till I got bored, that's why I blocked you on the phone as well cos I was sick of your whinging about Carter and Kear oh and the way your rocky was treated, which I suppose that's why the character assassination, anyway good luck darn lane old boy
don't bother with the reply it won't do either of us much good.'" point proved, hook, line and sinker
Old boy and remember mud sticks
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| Quote MOPSEY LIVES ON="MOPSEY LIVES ON"point proved, hook, line and sinker
[uOld boy and remember mud sticks[/u'"
I see somebody started a new thread on the possible return of John Kear to the club, do you have any thoughts you'd like to share on that Old Boy 
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| As I read this, fans are panicking because we are in a hole on the field once more.
There are two sides to Trinity: on the field and off the field.
Off the field is MC's arena. The club is in a better position than for years. We own the ground. We are financially stable (so everyone says). The ground is about to be redeveloped. MC and Mindards have done a sterling job and they should carry on.
On the field, not so good. The only criticism I can level at MC, if I really tried, was that he stuck with Chester for too long, but Chester's good couple of seasons probably gave him brownie points that bought him a season longer than perhaps should have been the case. As for Willie, we don't know if the club finances dictated his appointment, rather than advertising for someone with a greater pedigree. If it was finances, then that is just how it goes. It is hard to blame someone for on the field situations, however, when that is not his arena or forte.
As for attracting investors, there is no such thing in rugby league. Investors expect a return on the investment. Anyone who pumps money into a rugby league club does it as a hobby with money they don't mind losing. So, is it MC's fault no one is offering to waste millions of pounds? Unlikely to be a queue of people.
MC I've no issue with and I hope we don't lose him. I prefer stability over anything else. I just wish we hadn't made the same mistake as so previous years, appointing someone who is really just an assistant on the back of a sacking bounce.
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| A point that been laboured on here but it's clear, whoever 'invests' in the club will only ever be a wealthy fan. No business person in their right minds would 'invest'. There will be no return on that 'investment'. Carter has said many a time if anyone wants to buy the club for a notional figure they can. Guess what, there have been no takers. That says it all.
Do I think he's faultless, no, he's clearly good at what he does. Looks after the pennies and runs rhe club on a tight ship. He was an ideal owner when we were fire fighting. Sadly that only goes so far, I don't think he's the man who has the flair to take the club beyond perennial strugglers, but as with the point above, there isn't exactly a great big queue of 'White Knights' (cough, cough Eric France).
I'm not sure what 'put up or shut up' exactly means. He's not exactly saying he's either has the cash, or indeed if he did, has any inclination he wants to spend it on the club.
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| One of our old suitors, Steve Parkin, is about to sell Clipper Logistics for £1.3 Billion which he’ll add to his current estimated wealth of £500 Million. Alongside his other assets he’s set to be worth around £2 Billion by the end of the year or early 2023.
I wonder if anyones picked up the phone or typed him an email, just on the off chance
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