Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis
[i
"Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i"
Shall we consider the BMJ to be "conspiracy theorists" too?
Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis
[i
"Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i"
QuoteMatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis
[i
"Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i"
Shall we consider the BMJ to be "conspiracy theorists" too?'"
Granted there maybe a few points that could be used for governments "supressing science" but this line made me laugh "The leak revealed inappropriate involvement of government advisers in SAGE" - By that they mean that the government chief advisor attended a SAGE meeting LOL.
Also this article goes into the the DH with holding reports parts of a report on ethnic minorities and only posted it as there was an outcry, that is just not true in the slightest, when they published the report they stated there would be a follow up report, there was also a log of it on the GOV website on PM discussions, go back to the date it was published and read the audit of the phone calls, it is there for all to see.
QuoteMatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis
[i
"Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i"
Shall we consider the BMJ to be "conspiracy theorists" too?'"
Granted there maybe a few points that could be used for governments "supressing science" but this line made me laugh "The leak revealed inappropriate involvement of government advisers in SAGE" - By that they mean that the government chief advisor attended a SAGE meeting LOL.
Also this article goes into the the DH with holding reports parts of a report on ethnic minorities and only posted it as there was an outcry, that is just not true in the slightest, when they published the report they stated there would be a follow up report, there was also a log of it on the GOV website on PM discussions, go back to the date it was published and read the audit of the phone calls, it is there for all to see.
Just another point as well as I have followed Kamran Abbasi on his public outrage on some of the public procurements over the last few months a long with a few others, in some cases labelling them as "Corrupt", labelling some of the procurement department "incompetent" as there were large contracts awarded without a call for competition, I would urge him to take an actual look at the awards and how they were made and see how they align to the Public Contract regulations under 32 or 72, I think he would be relatively surprised by his findings.
I absolutely expect someone to have profited unfairly from all this.
Someone always does in times of need.
Hopefully when they do they are brought to justice and procecuted.
QuotePopTart="PopTart"Well because you never talk about rugby that's why.
Anyway, I've made my point. Post within AUP. Don't hassle other posters. Simples.
There is nothing new on this thread for me now. I'll post again when someone raises a new point to discuss.'"
As you know, no fans can visit their ground to watch a game of rugby? This is due to the governments handling of the so called covid crisis. The finances of clubs I would imagine is in a critical state, certainly below Super League. . Mc Dermott of Toronto is blaming the handling of the covid crisis as one of the reasons his club are out of Super League.
Therefore, every discussion on covidflu appertains to rugby, just like a thread on Ted Richardson appertains to rugby or a thread on Rodney Walker. One is not exclusive of the other.
It's not me who "never talks rugby, Whenever I have prompted a discussion mainly on the rugby front you retort thus.
=#800000"And on the plan for Belle Vue..... Why ask us?"
Or you twist my words and state this: =#800000
"But yer, watching rugby live is the important thing. "
The above quote was your attempt at sarcasm.
So, It aint me who is avoiding the rugby discussion.
Quotewrencat1873="wrencat1873"Dont you get it.
The conference that seems to have convinced you that a world re set is taking place was a "conference".
Effectively a get together to discuss certain issues.
Are you seriously telling "us" that, the get together took place in order to decide how to infect "the world" with a virus - UNBELIEVABLE
You ask about honesty.??
I'd like to start with your own "honesty".
There is zero "balance" in any of your output.
Your endless posts on here follow the same made up narrative, without any consideration that people are generally trying to solve a problem.
I do think there are questions to be answered as to exactly where the "new" virus came from and how it grew to the scale that it has but, I believe that those questions will be answered once "we" finally get on top of the thing.
If I had time (and lots of it) I would go back through your many spurious arguments and pick them apart one by one.
From memory, you've suggested a "global re set" - no evidence whatsoever that this is happening.
A vaccine to be used to "control" the population. WOW, just WOW
Face coverings to "control the population", WOW
A new political party - so far we have Farage re naming his Brexit party - BIG DEAL
Bill Gates as some kind of major "bad guy" - there is a long, long list of far worse and we can start with Trump, Xi, Johnson etc, etc, etc.
Do I really need to go on
'"
Ok, just show me one thing, where have I stated =#800000“the get together took place in order to decide how to infect "the world" with a virus”
Your telling porkies wrencat.
Now who is not being honest.
You state. =#800000"Dont you get it.
The conference that seems to have convinced you that a world re set is taking place was a "conference".
Effectively a get together to discuss certain issues.
From memory, you've suggested a "global re set" - no evidence whatsoever that this is happening."
No, not yet.
The WEF virtual event announced the launch of the “Great Reset” of the world economy, but more specific policy proposals will likely be deliberated at WEF’s meeting in Davos in January 2021,
From the Heartland Institute.
"At a virtual World Economic Forum meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a “Great Reset” of the entire world."
Yeah, this just a jolly get together over beer and crisps, no agenda at all. Very innocent, nothing to see here.
I don't know about you but most folk voted Tory or Labour, not for this lot. We debated Brexit for years, do we get a say here? But first we have to get people to take it seriously.
Oh, and just for pop tart, and what will this mean for rugby league at Belle Vue?
QuoteMatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis
[i
"Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i"
Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion to resolve charges of illegal and fraudulent promotion of its products:
The largest health care fraud settlement in Department of Justice history;
The largest criminal fine of any kind imposed in the U.S.;
The largest ever civil fraud settlement against a pharmaceutical company.
The case was also a massive investigation on the part of the FBI and our law enforcement colleagues, involving countless hours of work over a period of more than four years
Pfizer “intended to circumvent specific FDA indications concerning their drugs by using its sales force to aggressively promote off-label uses,” Perkins said. “We have interviewed numerous physicians, sales representatives, and managers who have corroborated these assertions.”
Indeed, it was company employees who blew the whistle about off-label marketing—and kickbacks to physicians, who were paid to prescribe certain drugs.
Let us hope physicians today are not as corruptable, especially on the subject of covid, diagnosis of, and those less than honest death certificates.
QuoteMatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis
[i
"Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i"
Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion to resolve charges of illegal and fraudulent promotion of its products:
The largest health care fraud settlement in Department of Justice history;
The largest criminal fine of any kind imposed in the U.S.;
The largest ever civil fraud settlement against a pharmaceutical company.
The case was also a massive investigation on the part of the FBI and our law enforcement colleagues, involving countless hours of work over a period of more than four years
Pfizer “intended to circumvent specific FDA indications concerning their drugs by using its sales force to aggressively promote off-label uses,” Perkins said. “We have interviewed numerous physicians, sales representatives, and managers who have corroborated these assertions.”
Indeed, it was company employees who blew the whistle about off-label marketing—and kickbacks to physicians, who were paid to prescribe certain drugs.
Let us hope physicians today are not as corruptable, especially on the subject of covid, diagnosis of, and those less than honest death certificates.
Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion to resolve charges of illegal and fraudulent promotion of its products:
The largest health care fraud settlement in Department of Justice history;
The largest criminal fine of any kind imposed in the U.S.;
The largest ever civil fraud settlement against a pharmaceutical company.
The case was also a massive investigation on the part of the FBI and our law enforcement colleagues, involving countless hours of work over a period of more than four years
Pfizer “intended to circumvent specific FDA indications concerning their drugs by using its sales force to aggressively promote off-label uses,” Perkins said. “We have interviewed numerous physicians, sales representatives, and managers who have corroborated these assertions.”
Indeed, it was company employees who blew the whistle about off-label marketing—and kickbacks to physicians, who were paid to prescribe certain drugs.
Let us hope physicians today are not as corruptable, especially on the subject of covid, diagnosis of, and those less than honest death certificates.'"
Corruption is indeed an interesting subject and it's interesting that "your" movement has now moved down this path.
What tack are you taking now ?
Vast, vast numbers of people are corruptible, in just about every walk of life and especially those in power. After all, they can influence the direction of travel for governments around the globe and it's certainly not a new phenomenon.
In a capitalist driven society, money talks and where money is changing handle, there will always be someone looking to exploit it.
Your "movement" seems to be picking up every little "crumb" and magnifying it to promote their agenda.
Ultimately, if a supplier is exploiting its customers and is found out, there will usually be a cost and therefore its a risk that they take.
It's not earth shattering news that a company tries to push sales of more profitable items.
Thankfully in an "open" world, these issues do tend to surface and its then up to the "buyers/consumers" to take whichever action they deem fit.
It's not "right" but, this again has happened since humans began walking the planet.
QuoteMiro="Miro"The manufacturers of the Bills Vaccine Pfizer have been far from squeaky clean in past dealings.
Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion to resolve charges of illegal and fraudulent promotion of its products:
The largest health care fraud settlement in Department of Justice history;
The largest criminal fine of any kind imposed in the U.S.;
The largest ever civil fraud settlement against a pharmaceutical company.
The case was also a massive investigation on the part of the FBI and our law enforcement colleagues, involving countless hours of work over a period of more than four years
Pfizer “intended to circumvent specific FDA indications concerning their drugs by using its sales force to aggressively promote off-label uses,” Perkins said. “We have interviewed numerous physicians, sales representatives, and managers who have corroborated these assertions.”
Indeed, it was company employees who blew the whistle about off-label marketing—and kickbacks to physicians, who were paid to prescribe certain drugs.
Let us hope physicians today are not as corruptable, especially on the subject of covid, diagnosis of, and those less than honest death certificates.'"
Corruption is indeed an interesting subject and it's interesting that "your" movement has now moved down this path.
What tack are you taking now ?
Vast, vast numbers of people are corruptible, in just about every walk of life and especially those in power. After all, they can influence the direction of travel for governments around the globe and it's certainly not a new phenomenon.
In a capitalist driven society, money talks and where money is changing handle, there will always be someone looking to exploit it.
Your "movement" seems to be picking up every little "crumb" and magnifying it to promote their agenda.
Ultimately, if a supplier is exploiting its customers and is found out, there will usually be a cost and therefore its a risk that they take.
It's not earth shattering news that a company tries to push sales of more profitable items.
Thankfully in an "open" world, these issues do tend to surface and its then up to the "buyers/consumers" to take whichever action they deem fit.
It's not "right" but, this again has happened since humans began walking the planet.
QuoteMiro="Miro"What's this all about Pop Tart? Genuine question, I don't read the nationals.
Shelley Tasker until recently, worked as a healthcare assistant at a hospital in Cornwall. She made national news headlines today (5th Nov.), when it emerged that she had resigned from her post, because claims that NHS hospitals are being overrun by Covid patients and are at breaking point, are grossly untrue. Shelley said the claims are "lies."
Taaking time out today to listen to her radio interview but here is a comment from someone who has
"Well done, this brave woman has started the turning tide and will be on the right side of history"
We shall see.
Note to Robert Jenrick MP / Pop Tart, Cornwall being the West Country of course, And this.
A Conservative MP has told talkRADIO he believes there are "lies, damn lies and Covid statistics," adding that "it seems to be you can prove anything with a Covid statistic."
Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Peter Bone said the government is "using selective ones to prove their case.
“We’re not getting a balanced range of different statistics so that you can make a balanced decision on what’s the right thing to do."
Ahead of the vote on the new lockdown measures, the Conservative MP told talkRADIO it is "like sending troops into action. You never know if it’s the right thing or wrong thing to do.
"We don’t know if we’re going to kill more people by voting for the regulation or against it.
“If we haven’t got the facts to look at, maybe they haven’t got a case for these restrictions."
This begs the question, just what HAVE these backbench MPs been looking at this past year.'"
We shall see here is the link about Shelley Tasker this exactly why you are shallow with your analysis, you jump straight in without substance to back it up.
Interesting how she is anti mask, she mentions plandemic.
You called a number of posters out as the Terrible 2 and backing band (which you referred I was one) this was on November 13 if you have forgotten. On the same date you said words to the effect Not one single post of mine have they brought up to dissect and prove its a load of balls. Well have a look at the link above!
You raisded the word Plandemic and Wrencat returned with the assumption it was your word to try and illustrate all this was planned, well you clearly got it from the Conspiracy theorists who believe the plandemic is to inject people with tracking devices.
If and when there is a credible vaccine then its a choice.
I nearly fell of my chair laughing at this woman someone you say "Well done, this brave woman has started the turning tide and will be on the right side of history"
Again a post with no foundation!
QuoteMiro="Miro"What's this all about Pop Tart? Genuine question, I don't read the nationals.
Shelley Tasker until recently, worked as a healthcare assistant at a hospital in Cornwall. She made national news headlines today (5th Nov.), when it emerged that she had resigned from her post, because claims that NHS hospitals are being overrun by Covid patients and are at breaking point, are grossly untrue. Shelley said the claims are "lies."
Taaking time out today to listen to her radio interview but here is a comment from someone who has
"Well done, this brave woman has started the turning tide and will be on the right side of history"
We shall see.
Note to Robert Jenrick MP / Pop Tart, Cornwall being the West Country of course, And this.
A Conservative MP has told talkRADIO he believes there are "lies, damn lies and Covid statistics," adding that "it seems to be you can prove anything with a Covid statistic."
Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Peter Bone said the government is "using selective ones to prove their case.
“We’re not getting a balanced range of different statistics so that you can make a balanced decision on what’s the right thing to do."
Ahead of the vote on the new lockdown measures, the Conservative MP told talkRADIO it is "like sending troops into action. You never know if it’s the right thing or wrong thing to do.
"We don’t know if we’re going to kill more people by voting for the regulation or against it.
“If we haven’t got the facts to look at, maybe they haven’t got a case for these restrictions."
This begs the question, just what HAVE these backbench MPs been looking at this past year.'"
We shall see here is the link about Shelley Tasker this exactly why you are shallow with your analysis, you jump straight in without substance to back it up.
Interesting how she is anti mask, she mentions plandemic.
You called a number of posters out as the Terrible 2 and backing band (which you referred I was one) this was on November 13 if you have forgotten. On the same date you said words to the effect Not one single post of mine have they brought up to dissect and prove its a load of balls. Well have a look at the link above!
You raisded the word Plandemic and Wrencat returned with the assumption it was your word to try and illustrate all this was planned, well you clearly got it from the Conspiracy theorists who believe the plandemic is to inject people with tracking devices.
If and when there is a credible vaccine then its a choice.
I nearly fell of my chair laughing at this woman someone you say "Well done, this brave woman has started the turning tide and will be on the right side of history"
QuoteREDWHITEANDBLUE="REDWHITEANDBLUE"We shall see here is the link about Shelley Tasker this exactly why you are shallow with your analysis, you jump straight in without substance to back it up.
Interesting how she is anti mask, she mentions plandemic.
You called a number of posters out as the Terrible 2 and backing band (which you referred I was one) this was on November 13 if you have forgotten. On the same date you said words to the effect Not one single post of mine have they brought up to dissect and prove its a load of balls. Well have a look at the link above!
You raisded the word Plandemic and Wrencat returned with the assumption it was your word to try and illustrate all this was planned, well you clearly got it from the Conspiracy theorists who believe the plandemic is to inject people with tracking devices.
Again a post with no foundation!'"
Ok, what does your link claim.
“referenced the term 'plandemic', suggesting that coronavirus vaccines would be used to implant tracking devices in people.”
No, the term “plandemic” does not does not refer to tracking devices. Shelley does not mention “tracking device.” on your web page.
This has been made up by the author in a cheap attempt to discredit her.
Also, so what if she calls the “pandemic” a “plandemic”? I don't blame her at all.
“The 43-year-old - who has ONLY ever been an agency staff worker for Royal Cornwall Hospitals”
“ONLY.” I'm sure all the “agency staff workers” who have been on the so called “front line” during all this will be well peed off being referred to as “ONLY” No clapping in the streets or dancing on the wards for that lot then.
“During her speech she also told people that on the previous Friday there were just three people in the Covid-19 ward at RCH after taking and sharing screenshots of confidential information.
This was the correct amount of patients in the hospital with Covid-19 at the time” Your web page admits.
No lie there then.
On Thursday (November 5) the boss of Cornwall's hospitals, Kate Shields, said that on that day (November 5), there were then seven coronavirus patients in the Royal Cornwall Hospital, with three of those in intensive care
But Tasker was not referring to November the 5th, that was the day she resigned, she was refering to October 29th.
=#800000The most recent data shows four people with the virus were receiving care at the Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust on October 29, supporting Ms Tasker’s claim https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/11/ ... s-overrun/
Tasker stated ““None of the wards were overflowing with Covid patients and they’re not now.”
And as you can see from hospital boss Kate Shields testomony on Nov 5th, seven patients with three of those in Intensive care =#800000are not wards overflowing with covid patients.
Shelley Tasker was correct then.
So what if she is anti mask? Even the WHO warned against the general public wearing masks for years until they took that particular section down from their web page when this "corona" business began. I know, because I checked at the time and went back a day or two later and it had conveniently been removed. You may be suprised but there are many many people anti-mask and I don't mean on the web.
Again, a hatchet job web page with no foundation.
You must try harder RW&B.
A few comments from your suggested page.
Conspiracy theorist!!, based on what??, she merely told the truth on what's going on inside hospitals, it's a shame more nhs workers don't have as much courage to do the right thing
All due respect, there have only been 3 deaths up till now in Cornwall since March 2020. There is no pandemic. I can vouch for her character: she only speaks the Truth
And this in support of you.
Yet another example of 'Thatcher's Children' - a pathetic, inadequate, mendacious, attention-seeking nobody who never achieved anything worthwhile in her life and will do/say anything just to get someone/anyone to notice her anonymous self. File with Incels, anti-vaxxers, flat earthers, QAnon and all the other conspiracy lunatics
QuoteREDWHITEANDBLUE="REDWHITEANDBLUE"We shall see here is the link about Shelley Tasker this exactly why you are shallow with your analysis, you jump straight in without substance to back it up.
Interesting how she is anti mask, she mentions plandemic.
You called a number of posters out as the Terrible 2 and backing band (which you referred I was one) this was on November 13 if you have forgotten. On the same date you said words to the effect Not one single post of mine have they brought up to dissect and prove its a load of balls. Well have a look at the link above!
You raisded the word Plandemic and Wrencat returned with the assumption it was your word to try and illustrate all this was planned, well you clearly got it from the Conspiracy theorists who believe the plandemic is to inject people with tracking devices.
Again a post with no foundation!'"
Ok, what does your link claim.
“referenced the term 'plandemic', suggesting that coronavirus vaccines would be used to implant tracking devices in people.”
No, the term “plandemic” does not does not refer to tracking devices. Shelley does not mention “tracking device.” on your web page.
This has been made up by the author in a cheap attempt to discredit her.
Also, so what if she calls the “pandemic” a “plandemic”? I don't blame her at all.
“The 43-year-old - who has ONLY ever been an agency staff worker for Royal Cornwall Hospitals”
“ONLY.” I'm sure all the “agency staff workers” who have been on the so called “front line” during all this will be well peed off being referred to as “ONLY” No clapping in the streets or dancing on the wards for that lot then.
“During her speech she also told people that on the previous Friday there were just three people in the Covid-19 ward at RCH after taking and sharing screenshots of confidential information.
This was the correct amount of patients in the hospital with Covid-19 at the time” Your web page admits.
No lie there then.
On Thursday (November 5) the boss of Cornwall's hospitals, Kate Shields, said that on that day (November 5), there were then seven coronavirus patients in the Royal Cornwall Hospital, with three of those in intensive care
But Tasker was not referring to November the 5th, that was the day she resigned, she was refering to October 29th.
=#800000The most recent data shows four people with the virus were receiving care at the Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust on October 29, supporting Ms Tasker’s claim https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/11/ ... s-overrun/
Tasker stated ““None of the wards were overflowing with Covid patients and they’re not now.”
And as you can see from hospital boss Kate Shields testomony on Nov 5th, seven patients with three of those in Intensive care =#800000are not wards overflowing with covid patients.
Shelley Tasker was correct then.
So what if she is anti mask? Even the WHO warned against the general public wearing masks for years until they took that particular section down from their web page when this "corona" business began. I know, because I checked at the time and went back a day or two later and it had conveniently been removed. You may be suprised but there are many many people anti-mask and I don't mean on the web.
Again, a hatchet job web page with no foundation.
You must try harder RW&B.
A few comments from your suggested page.
Conspiracy theorist!!, based on what??, she merely told the truth on what's going on inside hospitals, it's a shame more nhs workers don't have as much courage to do the right thing
All due respect, there have only been 3 deaths up till now in Cornwall since March 2020. There is no pandemic. I can vouch for her character: she only speaks the Truth
And this in support of you.
Yet another example of 'Thatcher's Children' - a pathetic, inadequate, mendacious, attention-seeking nobody who never achieved anything worthwhile in her life and will do/say anything just to get someone/anyone to notice her anonymous self. File with Incels, anti-vaxxers, flat earthers, QAnon and all the other conspiracy lunatics
Quotewrencat1873="wrencat1873"Corruption is indeed an interesting subject and it's interesting that "your" movement has now moved down this path.
What tack are you taking now ?
Vast, vast numbers of people are corruptible, in just about every walk of life and especially those in power. After all, they can influence the direction of travel for governments around the globe and it's certainly not a new phenomenon.
In a capitalist driven society, money talks and where money is changing handle, there will always be someone looking to exploit it.
Your "movement" seems to be picking up every little "crumb" and magnifying it to promote their agenda.
Ultimately, if a supplier is exploiting its customers and is found out, there will usually be a cost and therefore its a risk that they take.
It's not earth shattering news that a company tries to push sales of more profitable items.
Thankfully in an "open" world, these issues do tend to surface and its then up to the "buyers/consumers" to take whichever action they deem fit.
It's not "right" but, this again has happened since humans began walking the planet.'"
Thank you for finaly admiting many in the medical and pharmaceutical profession are as bent as a nine bob note.
. Furthermore, what do you mean "what tack are you taking NOW. " I have been saying all this throughout my whole argument.
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'"
Now who is not being honest.
