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| Quote Pat Bateman="Pat Bateman"What you have got to realise is ICU’s will have to be split between hot and Cold ie positive or negative. This has been done previously by changing HDU’s to ICU’s, to accommodate negative ICU patients ie surgical patients. The other issue is staffing, it’s ok having the capacity but with no staff, whicj I believe a very high number of ICU nurses have left the Leeds trust in the last 6 months due to all this. This does not also take into account HDU trained nurses now having to look after level 3 patients (ICU top level patients) HDU take level 2 patients. You can throw all the statistics you want regarding how many patients there were over the last few years, if there aren’t the staff there to look after any amount of patients than it’s screwed isn’t it. Let’s face it the NHS has been under funded and staff underpaid for years, just look at what it’s created. The nightingale hospitals won’t open as again no staff to work in them.'"
All fair points raised, I agree dividing patients up between those with and without respiratory virus is always crucial to preventing an outbreak in Hospitals.
I've found the Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust Staffing Data - The number of COVID-19 related absences of staff, either through sickness or self-isolation
26 Mar 20 - 0
27 Mar 20 - 1,524
31 Mar 20 - 1,584 (Peak)
02 Apr 20 - 1,367
01 Sept - 166 (Lowest)
01-Oct-20 - 359
Context - in total, they employ over 14,000 staff across six sites.
The report doesn't provide the last 30 days due to reporting lag and it does not give information on the number of those that had a positive PCR test or the roles they had in the hospitals. I'm having difficulty finding data on the number of ICU nurses but I will keep searching.
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| I don't think you answered Rick's question Miro.
Is this the only place you are telling people about the Bill Gates takeover or are you active elsewhere?
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Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"A November lockdown exactly as I predicted back in April and here on this forum.
It's obvious this lockdown will not stop overall deaths from increasing as they always increase at this time of year, right through until January.
The only hope they've got is "to try it on" by the claiming the lockdown was a huge success because they've seen a drop in confirmed "positive" cases by 2nd December. This might be achieved, not through a reduction of actual transmission but rather a manipulation of the testing system. Don't be surprised if they drop the number of daily tests carried out from 350,000 a day to a much lower number.
We must keep an eye out to see if they play this trick throughout the whole month of November.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing'"
Where abouts is your prediction from April on this forum please.
You only joined in June 2020 ??
Did "they" hack your account ?
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Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"A November lockdown exactly as I predicted back in April and here on this forum.
It's obvious this lockdown will not stop overall deaths from increasing as they always increase at this time of year, right through until January.
The only hope they've got is "to try it on" by the claiming the lockdown was a huge success because they've seen a drop in confirmed "positive" cases by 2nd December. This might be achieved, not through a reduction of actual transmission but rather a manipulation of the testing system. Don't be surprised if they drop the number of daily tests carried out from 350,000 a day to a much lower number.
We must keep an eye out to see if they play this trick throughout the whole month of November.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing'"
Where abouts is your prediction from April on this forum please.
You only joined in June 2020 ??
Did "they" hack your account ?
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Where abouts is your prediction from April on this forum please.
You only joined in June 2020 ??
Did "they" hack your account ?'"
No that was made to friends and relatives back in April.
Any detailed thoughts on my Sweden report - page 68?
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| Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"All fair points raised, I agree dividing patients up between those with and without respiratory virus is always crucial to preventing an outbreak in Hospitals.
I've found the Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust Staffing Data - The number of COVID-19 related absences of staff, either through sickness or self-isolation
26 Mar 20 - 0
27 Mar 20 - 1,524
31 Mar 20 - 1,584 (Peak)
02 Apr 20 - 1,367
01 Sept - 166 (Lowest)
01-Oct-20 - 359
Context - in total, they employ over 14,000 staff across six sites.
The report doesn't provide the last 30 days due to reporting lag and it does not give information on the number of those that had a positive PCR test or the roles they had in the hospitals. I'm having difficulty finding data on the number of ICU nurses but I will keep searching.'"
So to put this into context every level 3 patient requires 1 nurse. Say if 15 ICU nurses are off ill this has a detrimental effect on day and night shifts. 14000 includes office, cleaners, managers, maintenance...etc. The UK has an apparent 40000 nurse shortage according to the NMC, and it shows trust me.
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| Quote Pat Bateman="Pat Bateman" The UK has an apparent 40000 nurse shortage according to the NMC, and it shows trust me.'"
How does that compare to the last five year average?
I accept the NHS has been neglected and funds have been directed in the wrong areas for years.
The total number of COVID-19 related absences of ALL staff, either through sickness or self-isolation one month ago in NHS England was 19,493. So I suspect your 40,000 figure is more to do with the required number of nurses required to operate the service effectively at this moment.
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| Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"How does that compare to the last five year average?
The total number of COVID-19 related absences of ALL staff, either through sickness or self-isolation one month ago in NHS England was 19,493. So I suspect your 40,000 figure is more to do with the required number of nurses required to operate the service effectively at this moment.'"
Absolutely. Take into account your normal ‘winter pressures’ on any other given year then bob this on top, it becomes a serious issue doesn’t it.
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| Quote Pat Bateman="Pat Bateman"Absolutely. Take into account your normal ‘winter pressures’ on any other given year then bob this on top, it becomes a serious issue doesn’t it.'"
Frustrating that years of successive governments / NHS managers have failed to fix this issue and now joe public have to take the blame and stay at home.
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Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Frustrating that years of successive governments / NHS managers have failed to fix this issue and now joe public have to take the blame and stay at home.'"
https://www.health.org.uk/sites/default ... INAL_0.pdf
Funny because it actually forecast back in 2015 how many nurses we would be short, in particular critical care trained nurses. Let’s put it simple would you get yourself in debt in the region over over 30k to start on 23k working nights, weekends, on understaffed underfunded wards when the slightest error in judgement or calculation would cost somebody their life???
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Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Frustrating that years of successive governments / NHS managers have failed to fix this issue and now joe public have to take the blame and stay at home.'"
https://www.health.org.uk/sites/default ... INAL_0.pdf
Funny because it actually forecast back in 2015 how many nurses we would be short, in particular critical care trained nurses. Let’s put it simple would you get yourself in debt in the region over over 30k to start on 23k working nights, weekends, on understaffed underfunded wards when the slightest error in judgement or calculation would cost somebody their life???
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| Quote Pat Bateman="Pat Bateman"https://www.health.org.uk/sites/default/files/Workforce%20pressure%20points%202017%20FINAL_0.pdf
Funny because it actually forecast back in 2015 how many nurses we would be short, in particular critical care trained nurses. Let’s put it simple would you get =#FF0000yourself in debt in the region over over 30k to start on 23k working nights, weekends, on understaffed underfunded wards when the slightest error in judgement or calculation would cost somebody their life???'"
That's down to the RCN who in the early 90's wouldn't say boo to a goose and others wanting to make nursing more "academic" based.
Hence the fees.
Prior to that nursing was salaried as a student.
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| Quote BarnsleyGull="BarnsleyGull"That's down to the RCN who in the early 90's wouldn't say boo to a goose and others wanting to make nursing more "academic" based.
Hence the fees.
Prior to that nursing was salaried as a student.'"
That’s before my time BG, I’m only a young whipper snapper 
It’s not good though 
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